Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:40 pm
We understand that and I can respect people’s right to use the knee as a symbol of what they believe in.
So long as those who feel taking the knee is right for them equally respect those with different opinions and having such opinions does not make them racist.
Yeah I mean I can't look into the mind of any other person. If someone's actually booing a peaceful 3-second protest against racism in football (and in society in general), then something's really not right there in my opinion.
If their team kneeling makes a person feel quietly uncomfortable or annoyed, there could be a lot of reasons why that is (there are plenty of things that annoy me that are at least partly related to, say, some other life experiences I've had that have nothing to do with the situation, and I'm inclined to believe that's true of everybody), but ultimately I can't think of a sound reason to object to a protest like this.
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:47 pm
Bully for you. You can’t think of anything wrong with it. I can think of lots of things wrong with it. What’s your point?
My point is that I don’t think any of the objections a spectator might have are strong enough to demand that the players stop setting aside 3 seconds a week to protest racism in (and outside of) football.
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:47 pm
Bully for you. You can’t think of anything wrong with it. I can think of lots of things wrong with it. What’s your point?
Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:40 pm
We understand that and I can respect people’s right to use the knee as a symbol of what they believe in.
So long as those who feel taking the knee is right for them equally respect those with different opinions and having such opinions does not make them racist.
Yeah I mean I can't look into the mind of any other person. If someone's actually booing a peaceful 3-second protest against racism in football (and in society in general), then something's really not right there in my opinion.
If their team kneeling makes a person feel quietly uncomfortable or annoyed, there could be a lot of reasons why that is (there are plenty of things that annoy me that are at least partly related to, say, some other life experiences I've had that have nothing to do with the situation, and I'm inclined to believe that's true of everybody), but ultimately I can't think of a sound reason to object to a protest like this.
What happens is people tend to see more in a comment than really exists, because it suits them too. Which is exactly what you have done. I said nothing about being annoyed or booing.
It’s a simple matter of respect. I respect people’s rights to take the knee. I respect people’s rights to support that public symbol. People who choose to have a different opinion, that is their right and that too should be respected. It’s not complex. Nor does it make them racist. It’s a matter of respect, respect for each other.
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:47 pm
Bully for you. You can’t think of anything wrong with it. I can think of lots of things wrong with it. What’s your point?
Go on then. What's wrong with it?
Bera doesn't think racism is a problem. That or it'll be some old bollocks about BLM being a marxist movement.
Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:40 pm
We understand that and I can respect people’s right to use the knee as a symbol of what they believe in.
So long as those who feel taking the knee is right for them equally respect those with different opinions and having such opinions does not make them racist.
Yeah I mean I can't look into the mind of any other person. If someone's actually booing a peaceful 3-second protest against racism in football (and in society in general), then something's really not right there in my opinion.
If their team kneeling makes a person feel quietly uncomfortable or annoyed, there could be a lot of reasons why that is (there are plenty of things that annoy me that are at least partly related to, say, some other life experiences I've had that have nothing to do with the situation, and I'm inclined to believe that's true of everybody), but ultimately I can't think of a sound reason to object to a protest like this.
What happens is people tend to see more in a comment than really exists, because it suits them too. Which is exactly what you have done. I said nothing about being annoyed or booing.
It’s a simple matter of respect. I respect people’s rights to take the knee. I respect people’s rights to support that public symbol. People who choose to have a different opinion, that is their right and that too should be respected. It’s not complex. Nor does it make them racist. It’s a matter of respect, respect for each other.
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:47 pm
Bully for you. You can’t think of anything wrong with it. I can think of lots of things wrong with it. What’s your point?
Go on then. What's wrong with it?
Bera doesn't think racism is a problem. That or it'll be some old bollocks about BLM being a marxist movement.
I'd expect as much but was looking forward to picking apart any argument he could put forward - because there isn't a good one.
Even a rabid right-wing fascist like me agrees that, even if kneeling is a pointless gesture, there's no decent reason to boo those who have chosen to kneel because they sincerely believe it may do good.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:11 pm
FFS. This whole thing is beyond tedious.
Even a rabid right-wing fascist like me agrees that, even if kneeling is a pointless gesture, there's no decent reason to boo those who have chosen to kneel because they sincerely believe it may do good.
Tedious? Yes. But still needed whilst fruit-loops still come out with reasons to boo it. Sad isn't it.
Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:40 pm
We understand that and I can respect people’s right to use the knee as a symbol of what they believe in.
So long as those who feel taking the knee is right for them equally respect those with different opinions and having such opinions does not make them racist.
Yeah I mean I can't look into the mind of any other person. If someone's actually booing a peaceful 3-second protest against racism in football (and in society in general), then something's really not right there in my opinion.
If their team kneeling makes a person feel quietly uncomfortable or annoyed, there could be a lot of reasons why that is (there are plenty of things that annoy me that are at least partly related to, say, some other life experiences I've had that have nothing to do with the situation, and I'm inclined to believe that's true of everybody), but ultimately I can't think of a sound reason to object to a protest like this.
What happens is people tend to see more in a comment than really exists, because it suits them too. Which is exactly what you have done. I said nothing about being annoyed or booing.
It’s a simple matter of respect. I respect people’s rights to take the knee. I respect people’s rights to support that public symbol. People who choose to have a different opinion, that is their right and that too should be respected. It’s not complex. Nor does it make them racist. It’s a matter of respect, respect for each other.
There's no nuance this argument. You either support or don't support an anti-racism gesture. Look forward to hearing reasons why anyone wouldn't support it.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:11 pm
FFS. This whole thing is beyond tedious.
Even a rabid right-wing fascist like me agrees that, even if kneeling is a pointless gesture, there's no decent reason to boo those who have chosen to kneel because they sincerely believe it may do good.
Is it? Surely the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to come up with reasons not to support an anti-racism gesture shows there's still a long way to go.
PS - How's the whole facism thing going? Does it take up more time than yoghurt knitting?
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:11 pm
FFS. This whole thing is beyond tedious.
Even a rabid right-wing fascist like me agrees that, even if kneeling is a pointless gesture, there's no decent reason to boo those who have chosen to kneel because they sincerely believe it may do good.
Is it? Surely the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to come up with reasons not to support an anti-racism gesture shows there's still a long way to go.
By "this whole thing", I meant the ongoing suggestion that booing players who choose to kneel is okay. Even if you think kneeling is pointless, there's still no good reason boo them.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:11 pm
FFS. This whole thing is beyond tedious.
Even a rabid right-wing fascist like me agrees that, even if kneeling is a pointless gesture, there's no decent reason to boo those who have chosen to kneel because they sincerely believe it may do good.
Is it? Surely the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to come up with reasons not to support an anti-racism gesture shows there's still a long way to go.
By "this whole thing", I meant the ongoing suggestion that booing players who choose to kneel is okay. Even if you think kneeling is pointless, there's still no good reason boo them.
I’d be more impressed if those that get so worked up about it took the knee themselves to support the cause rather than sit and politely clap others doing it.
Yeah I mean I can't look into the mind of any other person. If someone's actually booing a peaceful 3-second protest against racism in football (and in society in general), then something's really not right there in my opinion.
If their team kneeling makes a person feel quietly uncomfortable or annoyed, there could be a lot of reasons why that is (there are plenty of things that annoy me that are at least partly related to, say, some other life experiences I've had that have nothing to do with the situation, and I'm inclined to believe that's true of everybody), but ultimately I can't think of a sound reason to object to a protest like this.
What happens is people tend to see more in a comment than really exists, because it suits them too. Which is exactly what you have done. I said nothing about being annoyed or booing.
It’s a simple matter of respect. I respect people’s rights to take the knee. I respect people’s rights to support that public symbol. People who choose to have a different opinion, that is their right and that too should be respected. It’s not complex. Nor does it make them racist. It’s a matter of respect, respect for each other.
Do you support booing when the knee is taken?
Booing is disrespectful to those who believe in its value. No I do not support booing. If you disagree that’s fine, but allow others to show their support, respect.
Is it? Surely the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to come up with reasons not to support an anti-racism gesture shows there's still a long way to go.
By "this whole thing", I meant the ongoing suggestion that booing players who choose to kneel is okay. Even if you think kneeling is pointless, there's still no good reason boo them.
And the facism?
I'm trying to cut back. Keeping the old facism to just weekdays and only during office hours.
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:46 pm
Arguing about the ‘supporting’ of a gesture.
I’d be more impressed if those that get so worked up about it took the knee themselves to support the cause rather than sit and politely clap others doing it.
Nobody has said to boo the knee have they? That’s just disrespectful to those that think it does some good. I don’t agree with it for one very simple reason. What is the point of any gesture like this? It should only have one. To make people change their minds. To convert racists into non racists. Everything else is superfluous. Everything else is irrelevant. This is not changing a single mind in fact it’s hardening attitudes so. Why are they still doing it? Give me a reason. A genuine reason why? Is it too “highlight” racism? If so, every week they highlight racism. Then what? What is the point aside from people who agree with it get to call people who don’t understand the point names, making them feel better about themselves as they throw Mohamed’s CV in the bin.
Of course it’s to highlight racism - what else do you think it’s for?
The only attitudes it’s hardening is those who don’t want to acknowledge racism in the first place. Probably needs some painful introspection for many who struggle with the whole concept and prefer the whole thing to go away. Usually applies to those who claim “all lives matter”.
Which is why the fight against racism needs to be permanently pushed. It’s going to take more than this gesture to achieve what’s required. Much more. But if you’re already moaning about a simple anti racism gesture then deep down you don’t really want that change to happen.
So, given your "this anti racism gesture is actually hardening attitudes" take on why the knee is " a bad thing", would you say it's made you personally more racist, about the same racist, or less racist?
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:16 pm
Racism is the new Mcarthyism or Witch-hunts for the left isn’t. Hopefully they get bored of it soon and move onto something else.
Of course it is. Us lefties eh? Never happy unless we’re highlighting racism and inequality.
The thing is, if all the anti-kneelers had just rolled their eyes and let the knee-takers get on with it in silence, this would have stopped long ago and they could all have gone back to being racists without having to be confronted with that fact every week, the daft old muppets.
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:19 pm
So, given your "this anti racism gesture is actually hardening attitudes" take on why the knee is " a bad thing", would you say it's made you personally more racist, about the same racist, or less racist?
