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Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:32 pm**

Redo you made the claim AA is referring to originally and now you say this. What is it that offends you so much with Sir Tom and his family?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:34 pm**

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:50 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:24 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:34 pm

Well it would appear that the commentators on Sky last night were offended because there was no kneeling. That's bizarre.
Where is the Evidence on your claim ?
Evidence? Ask anyone who watched the Coventry v QPR game last night.

I have & nobody mentionioned it
Again making claims with no evidence to back it up .

An Opinion is not a Fact Orn'

I'll keep telling you that untill it sinks in .

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:36 pm**

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:08 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:23 pm
AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:20 pm I dont think the media is a left or right issue whether thats BBC, Sky, Newspapers, Radio or any other outlet. The way of the media in todays world is to create and spread negativety from whatever angle they can. We all know the corona virus has been devastating for the world and it's hard to report any good news. They seem to thrive on everything bad and repeat the same headlines 24/7 whatever the subject. If they come accross anything thats good they will dig and in some cases create a negative whether thats against a person, organisation, government or anything accross the world.
For the past month or so i have been avoiding reading newspapers or watching tv news as they have a way of controlling society and i found it all really depressing.
I am not expressing any political favour because whatever party was in power if they were centre, left or right leaning the media would make it thier priority to attack them at every opportunity which creates division in society.
Yeah they were all negative about 99 year old Tom raising his £30 million
Disgusting treatment !!
Tuffers i would imagine the first sniff of anything negative on 100 year old Tom and they will be on it like a pack of blood-hounds. In fact i remember someone on here about two months ago mentioning a article about Tom and his family which was not very complimentary.
Also i am sure on many occassions you and others have commented on how the media treated Jeremy Corbyn which you may well have been right about regards mis-representation, unfair journalism which suited thier agenda and narrative. Boris probably gets the same on some occassions but let's not go there.
Media seem to create and dictate how governments should act, quite often i would imagine with made up versions and journalist, newscasters and presenters acting like judge and jury instead of sticking to the facts.
If you like how things are that's fine but my lifes more important to me than being preached to on how we should live by a bunch of jumped up vastly overpaid hypocrites.

Corbyn went to an I.R.A funeral - made up b*llsh*t .

Boris offered to help organise Darius enemy a beating -
Recorded irrefutable evidence .

What are you saying agin Awks ?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:40 pm**

banqo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:18 pm BTW, I also apologise for my ancestors from 200 years ago, when we had slavery. Even though I can't do anything about it.

You can do something. Acknowledge the advantage and privilege it brings you.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:46 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:30 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:24 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:23 pmOh ok Tuffers.
Show evidence of what you claimed thory ,
Shiw us where they have turned good news into bad ?
One point out of many made. But here goes anyway.

We are testing more people for covid than every major nation, yet the news slags off the government for not testing enough.

The positive is we are testing more people than anyone else. The negative is it could always be more, yet the news only focuses on the fact we need to test more forgetting the positive part of the equation.

Can you show me where the news
" only focuses on the fact we need to do more testing "

As far as im aware key workers get tested everyday they go to work , as do football players cricketers etc.

Agaij just where the media run a negative will do

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:49 pm**

any news item in the last week would suffice for you tuffers.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:58 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:36 pm
AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:08 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:23 pm

Yeah they were all negative about 99 year old Tom raising his £30 million
Disgusting treatment !!
Tuffers i would imagine the first sniff of anything negative on 100 year old Tom and they will be on it like a pack of blood-hounds. In fact i remember someone on here about two months ago mentioning a article about Tom and his family which was not very complimentary.
Also i am sure on many occassions you and others have commented on how the media treated Jeremy Corbyn which you may well have been right about regards mis-representation, unfair journalism which suited thier agenda and narrative. Boris probably gets the same on some occassions but let's not go there.
Media seem to create and dictate how governments should act, quite often i would imagine with made up versions and journalist, newscasters and presenters acting like judge and jury instead of sticking to the facts.
If you like how things are that's fine but my lifes more important to me than being preached to on how we should live by a bunch of jumped up vastly overpaid hypocrites.
Corbyn went to an I.R.A funeral - made up b*llsh*t .

Boris offered to help organise Darius enemy a beating -
Recorded irrefutable evidence .

What are you saying agin Awks ?

It's pointless really, i'm not going to go over every piece of news in the last decade that no doubt you would give a opposite opinion to and you could bring up a library of incidents that beg to differ.
Anyway it's Saturday night and i need a few

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:50 pm**

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:58 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:36 pm
AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:08 pm

Tuffers i would imagine the first sniff of anything negative on 100 year old Tom and they will be on it like a pack of blood-hounds. In fact i remember someone on here about two months ago mentioning a article about Tom and his family which was not very complimentary.
Also i am sure on many occassions you and others have commented on how the media treated Jeremy Corbyn which you may well have been right about regards mis-representation, unfair journalism which suited thier agenda and narrative. Boris probably gets the same on some occassions but let's not go there.
Media seem to create and dictate how governments should act, quite often i would imagine with made up versions and journalist, newscasters and presenters acting like judge and jury instead of sticking to the facts.
If you like how things are that's fine but my lifes more important to me than being preached to on how we should live by a bunch of jumped up vastly overpaid hypocrites.
Corbyn went to an I.R.A funeral - made up b*llsh*t .

Boris offered to help organise Darius enemy a beating -
Recorded irrefutable evidence .

What are you saying agin Awks ?
It's pointless really, i'm not going to go over every piece of news in the last decade that no doubt you would give a opposite opinion to and you could bring up a library of incidents that beg to differ.
Anyway it's Saturday night and i need a few

So why do you involve yourself in an argumemt you obviously are incapable of winning ?

Someone stated positive news is always pooh poohed .

I pointed out Capn Tom & his £30m

Nobody in the press, I repeat nobody has done anything to
Suggest it wasnt a magnificent effort by the old boy .

Then you get all corbyn blah blah blah .

Just pointless !

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:33 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:34 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:50 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:24 pm

Where is the Evidence on your claim ?
Evidence? Ask anyone who watched the Coventry v QPR game last night.
I have & nobody mentionioned it

Prove it. Show us your evidence.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:25 am**

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:33 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:34 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:50 pm

Evidence? Ask anyone who watched the Coventry v QPR game last night.
I have & nobody mentionioned it

Prove it. Show us your evidence.

How can i show evidence of personal conversations .

I never claimed a public media company aired something that you alledged .
Its down to you to show that dear chap .

You do understand the difference between personal conversations &
National Media &.people claiming there was some sort of.outcry ?

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:29 am**

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:23 pm I'm putting my balls in a vice here, but isn't this "Taking the Knee" thing becoming a little bit boring now. Sure, we all know that racism must be
eradicated from our society, but it is becoming a lot like overkill now. Watching the faces of some the Premier League players from
Saturdays games and they seemed to be a bit fed up with it. Unfortunately, there will always be racism because the pond life that perpetuates it
cannot be eradicated.

T orally agree.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:30 am**

Sorry totally agree

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:03 am**

If and when we are allowed to return , and if players are still taking the knee , I will get up and walk out for a cuppa while it is in progress.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:50 am**

I do the same mate when the national anthem comes on before EVERY SINGLE England game. Can't we just get to the football please?

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:55 am**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:50 am I do the same mate when the national anthem comes on before EVERY SINGLE England game. Can't we just get to the football please?

You should respect both national anthems as they are played. Disappointed in you and the idiots that boo and sing through them.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:57 am**

George wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:03 am If and when we are allowed to return , and if players are still taking the knee , I will get up and walk out for a cuppa while it is in progress.

Sure you'll be missed.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:58 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:55 am
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:50 am I do the same mate when the national anthem comes on before EVERY SINGLE England game. Can't we just get to the football please?
You should respect both national anthems as they are played. Disappointed in you and the mongs that boo and sing through them.

You shouldn't call people mongs. Disappointed in you.

Why should I respect both anthems? What am I respecting and why?

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:07 pm**

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:40 pm
banqo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:18 pm BTW, I also apologise for my ancestors from 200 years ago, when we had slavery. Even though I can't do anything about it.
You can do something. Acknowledge the advantage and privilege it brings you.

I'll bite, what privileges are these then?

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:24 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:49 pm any news item in the last week would suffice for you tuffers.

If its that easy then pick 1 & post it .

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:36 pm**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:07 pm
RedO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:40 pm
banqo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:18 pm BTW, I also apologise for my ancestors from 200 years ago, when we had slavery. Even though I can't do anything about it.
You can do something. Acknowledge the advantage and privilege it brings you.
I'll bite, what privileges are these then?

To make it a little more understandable for you, as you've asked before and not liked the answer given, change it from white privilege to 'wealth'.

Let's say you are female and disabled but a millionaire. You will likely face more sexism than a man, likely face ableism more than a non-disabled person but won't be likely to suffer due to poverty. So although you have hardships and challenges in life (being a woman, being disabled) you have wealth privilege. It doesn't mean your life is smoother in general, just less likely to be disadvantaged in that one particular thing.

Saying someone has white privilege does not in any way ignore or negate their personal circumstances but acknowledges that for that particular part of their life they are likely not at disadvantage.
See you soon Digby!

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:39 pm**

I'm not digby.

Basically, my privilege is that people aren't racist to me?

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:40 pm**

But to add, because it is such a political hot potato, no one is having the courage to truly address it or explain it. If you say to a group of 50 year old white men from a tough part of the country; 'Hey! You have privilege you know!' whilst they live in poverty, in work poverty or struggle to access services they need due to the state of the country, it is unsurprising they may end up hating movements like BLM, or voting Conservative or anything else nationalist. Or feel like they are being spoken down to by 'woke' people or whatever.

It is a very difficult disconnect to get right and it means the message or reality gets massively lost.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:41 pm**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:39 pm I'm not digby.

Basically, my privilege is that people aren't racist to me?

Yes. Pretty much. But that doesn't just mean nasty words or vicious attacks, it also means in some cases better employment opportunity, higher chance of acceptance to big organisations etc etc. But yeah, of sorts.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:49 pm**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:41 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:39 pm I'm not digby.

Basically, my privilege is that people aren't racist to me?
Yes. Pretty much. But that doesn't just mean nasty words or vicious attacks, it also means in some cases better employment opportunity, higher chance of acceptance to big organisations etc etc. But yeah, of sorts.

Why are you replying for RedO?

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:51 pm**

I forgot to switch accounts.

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