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Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:23 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:22 pm Southgate has objectively been a good England manager up until this point. He's our second best ever behind Ramsey. Venables did a single home tournament and didn't get as far as Southgate did in 2021.

Venables was given one tournament and reached the semi final. We've had 8 years of winning nothing with Southgate. I find it a tad ironic that Southgate is lauded for making a final which Venables didn't, when it was Southgate missing a penalty that stopped Venables getting there.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:55 am I've speed read this thread so forgive me if I'm duplicating anything. Venables was special and produced what nobody before him could. Robson got us to the Italia 90 semi's but in truth we were dire and it needed a bit of a player power revolution to change things around. We drew our way through the group stage. After Venables we spent almost 20 years stumbling our way through the dark, but at about the 12 year mark the FA did a great thing and Southgate led the grassroots review into football. Because of the failure of a couple of expensive foreigners - and then Big at Sam's farce - Southgate stepped in and has been EXACTLY what we needed. Players turn up because they want to be involved in a way that none had before in the premier league era. He managed to get a reasonable spin out of willing players and on a couple of occasions we've had "if only" moments.

Within all of that, we have all known that tactically he's not the sharpest tool in the box and football has moved on from 2016. That's Pep's fault (in part). Southgate is old school by comparison - even Ritchie Wellens is sharper tactically - and now is the time for him to step aside. He should not be burned at the stake for any failure to win things, but thanked for restoring national pride in our team. God only knows who can continue this feeling but Southgate's time is done.

As an aside, Southgate having mapped out the future of grassroots / youth football has helped produce a vibrant product in England. Instead of taking an ill-fated job at Man U or somewhere similar, he should get a very senior job in managing our game. Make him head of the FA - or the independent regulator that has been talked about. He cares about our game and its showed from the moment he missed that penalty in '96.

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:55 am Am I in the minority? Probably. I would prefer England did not win the Euros if it meant going ahead and then playing so negatively. I would rather watch England outplaying the opposition and eventually losing narrowly. Imagine the public celebrations if the former scenario happened, would be hollow in my eyes. We should celebrate the Hoddles, not the Kalvin Phillip’s. This tournament should be a fraternal celebration of what is good about the game of football, not a war-like siege.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:20 am I can't begin to imagine how much of a winge people would have if England lost to f*cking Slovakia in the opening game.

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:04 pm comparing him to Kevin de Bruyne is like chalk and cheese.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:08 pm Have Scotland just exited another tournament without having scored a single goal?

(Obviously, own goals don't count)

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:08 pm Stunk the tournament out really. Poor team who got what they deserved for such a negative set up each game, 5-4-1 with Adams running around alone up top was so bland compared to how most other teams have played.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:13 pm Both Shearer and Moyes think Scotland should have had a penalty .

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:08 pm Stunk the tournament out really. Poor team who got what they deserved for such a negative set up each game, 5-4-1 with Adams running around alone up top was so bland compared to how most other teams have played.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:14 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:13 pm Both Shearer and Moyes think Scotland should have had a penalty .

They are correct. VAR fail.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:08 pm Stunk the tournament out really. Poor team who got what they deserved for such a negative set up each game, 5-4-1 with Adams running around alone up top was so bland compared to how most other teams have played.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:25 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:14 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:13 pm Both Shearer and Moyes think Scotland should have had a penalty .

They are correct. VAR fail.

VA-farce on full display tonight. So they can overrule a good goal for a millimetre offside or inadvertent brush of a hand but not even review a CB clattering a striker clean in on goal?