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'Contested' is certainly one way of putting invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing.

Don't be a plonker. That's not what I'm saying.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:52 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:46 am Pre 1st or 2nd invasion border?

1st but as that is contested it will prove tricky, but not impossible, to reach agreement.

Are you including Crimea in that?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:35 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:16 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:06 am

OK then nuke them .

Is that the only other option? Nuke them or appeasement?

Option 3: Fight on to the bitter end expending the 18-65 male population and lose anyway. A defeat that was always going to happen. OR

Negotiate a withdrawal of Russian forces to its pre invasions borders by disengaging with NATO and adopting a neutral stance whilst also guaranteeing the freedom and safety of the Russian speaking population in Ukraine.

The freedom and safety of the Russian speaking population of Ukraine was never really an issue before the war anyway. That they were persecuted was another Putin invention

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:31 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 10:18 am They like to hang around near where the underwater internet cables are. Just for giggles.

Hmmm.

The fibre communications cable between Finland and Germany beneath the Baltic Sea has just been cut. It’s the only cable connecting Finland with Central Europe.

Breaking news: Now the undersea cable between Sweden and Lithuania has been cut.

...and the Danish navy are now shadowing a Chinese bulk carrier, the Yi Peng, as they suspect it may be behind the cutting of both cables. The Yi Peng is now trying to exit the Baltic.

if true, that means the Chinese have properly entered the chat.

It’s on the lunch time TV news that Russia has said that American long range missiles have landed in Russia for the first time. We’ll wait and see what happens next.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:52 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:31 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 10:18 am They like to hang around near where the underwater internet cables are. Just for giggles.

Hmmm.

The fibre communications cable between Finland and Germany beneath the Baltic Sea has just been cut. It’s the only cable connecting Finland with Central Europe.

Breaking news: Now the undersea cable between Sweden and Lithuania has been cut.

Yeah but he won't use nukes & the North Koreans are busy w@nkin.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:03 pm It’s on the lunch time TV news that Russia has said that American long range missiles have landed in Russia for the first time. We’ll wait and see what happens next.

See, your buddys not even President yet & the East is coming for the West. Idiots have supported him & his we don't care about the rest of the world comments & now they're coming.

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:06 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:52 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:31 pm

Hmmm.

The fibre communications cable between Finland and Germany beneath the Baltic Sea has just been cut. It’s the only cable connecting Finland with Central Europe.

Breaking news: Now the undersea cable between Sweden and Lithuania has been cut.

Yeah but he won't use nukes & the North Koreans are busy w@nkin.

Yeah, that’s a fact about the North Koreans .

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:11 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:03 pm It’s on the lunch time TV news that Russia has said that American long range missiles have landed in Russia for the first time. We’ll wait and see what happens next.

See, your buddys not even President yet & the East is coming for the West. Idiots have supported him & his we don't care about the rest of the world comments & now they're coming.

No , he’s not the President yet and wasn’t when Russia invaded. Your chum Biden was, and still is in charge . Well , at least on the face of it because Biden doesn’t even know what day it is

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:15 pm

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:06 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:52 pm

Breaking news: Now the undersea cable between Sweden and Lithuania has been cut.

Yeah but he won't use nukes & the North Koreans are busy w@nkin.

Yeah, that’s a fact about the North Koreans .

Its not though is it.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:18 pm

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:11 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:03 pm It’s on the lunch time TV news that Russia has said that American long range missiles have landed in Russia for the first time. We’ll wait and see what happens next.

See, your buddys not even President yet & the East is coming for the West. Idiots have supported him & his we don't care about the rest of the world comments & now they're coming.

No , he’s not the President yet and wasn’t when Russia invaded. Your chum Biden was, and still is in charge . Well , at least on the face of it because Biden doesn’t even know what day it is

Trump & his mates are to blame, can you prove Biden doesn't know what day it is or are you just repeating Trump spiel?

Just watch and listen to Biden . That should be enough .

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:19 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:15 pm

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:06 pm

Yeah but he won't use nukes & the North Koreans are busy w@nkin.

Yeah, that’s a fact about the North Koreans .

Its not though is it.

According to what I’ve read it is

Even if it isn't a fact, it should be.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:28 pm

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:19 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:15 pm

Yeah, that’s a fact about the North Koreans .

Its not though is it.

According to what I’ve read it is

You need to broaden your material.

Thats what the Russians told the north Koreans

If North Korea ever tries to invade South Korea, they just need to litter the demilitarized zone with copies of Razzle.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:26 pm Just watch and listen to Biden . That should be enough .

Enough of what, Allowing an aggressor to march into sovereign nations. Good job Churchill & co didn't do that after Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Norway & Russia had it from 1939.

Ok , in the unlikely event Putin carries through with his treat and uses a tactical nuke on Kyiv , how would we respond ?

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:35 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:26 pm Just watch and listen to Biden . That should be enough .

Enough of what, Allowing an aggressor to march into sovereign nations. Good job Churchill & co didn't do that after Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Norway & Russia had it from 1939.

That was a different era . I think If both sides had nukes history would have been different.

Makes me laugh that Putin was laughing about his mate Trump getting in and getting nice and cosy in Ukraine. Biden, who is a leader who actually makes decisions based on real risk calculations and trusting the people around him has embarrassed Putin who's starting to throw his toys out of the pram despite not having any real bite. Trump will be making a number of decisions without a care in the world of the consequences. It's a bold move that only a real leader would take rather than running scared and looking inward like Trump.

Also isn't MAGA about taking America back to a time where there was a constant nuclear threat?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:41 pm

Pugwash wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:35 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:26 pm Just watch and listen to Biden . That should be enough .

Enough of what, Allowing an aggressor to march into sovereign nations. Good job Churchill & co didn't do that after Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Norway & Russia had it from 1939.

That was a different era . I think If both sides had nukes history would have been different.

You do know America developed Nuclear capabilities because they got to the German scientists first.