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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:51 am

faldO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:45 am Agreed. I have absolutely no idea what will happen in the next few days, weeks and months, let alone from 1st Jan 2021!

I can Guarentee youll spout some bullsh*t on a Labour thread when they
Have no power in running the country , but youll willingle leave the tory thread
alone , while they manage to f*ck the.country up even more .

I never spout bullsh*t, you must be confusing me with someone else...

faldO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:00 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:51 am

faldO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:45 am Agreed. I have absolutely no idea what will happen in the next few days, weeks and months, let alone from 1st Jan 2021!

I can Guarentee youll spout some bullsh*t on a Labour thread when they
Have no power in running the country , but youll willingle leave the tory thread
alone , while they manage to f*ck the.country up even more .

I never spout bullsh*t, you must be confusing me with someone else...

FaldO

You & Thory remind me of Pinky & Perky

faldO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:45 am Agreed. I have absolutely no idea what will happen in the next few days, weeks and months, let alone from 1st Jan 2021!

I assume you know why that date is so significant?

Is Sirkier 20 points ahead of Johnson yet? A competent, electable leader would be.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:42 pm Is Sirkier 20 points ahead of Johnson yet? A competent, electable leader would be.

Bit hard to win a 100 sprint when due to the incompetencies of the previous competitor you replaced, you have to start running from the stands.

Blaming those previously in charge for your own current failings is very tory.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:46 pm Blaming those previously in charge for your own current failings is very tory.

As is blaming current ones for past failings.

That doesn’t make sense?

Firstly, I did not vote for Starmer QC for leader.

However, I think he's bridged the gap pretty effectively from where we stood, as a party, last April.

He's not what I would consider a left-wing Labour Leader. I still believe that Jeremy Corbyn would have made a fantastic Prime Minister and led our Country to a fairer, successful, more decent society. I absolutely adore the guy; and it's still gut-wrenching that he was oh so evidently destroyed by the constant lies and character assassination from the media.

However, I am not backing Starmer out of blind loyalty to the Labour Party. I am backing him because a Labour Government under his leadership, would be a darn sight better option than the godforesaken bunch of lying, incompetent Tory charlatans that we have now.

Starmer, in my honest opinion, is destroying Johnson at Prime Minister's Question Time each week. Let's be honest - how many people actually watch this? They simply follow the lies and biased reporting of the BBC and the majority of the Tory-supporting MSM. Therefore, what more would anyone have suggested he'd done by this stage?

Whether he makes a successful Labour Leader is impossible to say after 100 days in office; particularly during these somewhat unprecedented times.

However, I've seen enough so far to be pleased rather than disappointed.

More importantly, clearly so are many of the UK Electorate.

I agree with your point 1-3.

But I find it quite depressing that Starmer is determined to take Labour back to Tory-Lite. He even appointed a former Blair big wig to the post of General Secretary now.

Starmer has brought all the noisiest Corbyn haters to his shadow cabinet: Jess Philips, Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves .... and many others.
Rachel Reeves was the one who acquired fame by resigning from Corbyn's shadow cabinet even though he hadn't actually offered her a post yet!

Nothing will change. The difference between another 5 years of the tories and a Sirkier Labour government is paper thin.

Turbo capitalism will still continue, the wars abroad (some legal, some less so) will still continue, the ever rising inequality gap will still continue, the destruction of he environent will still continue.

But at least we’ll get a few dozen surestart centres, I guess.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:34 am Nothing will change. The difference between another 5 years of the tories and a Sirkier Labour government is paper thin.

Turbo capitalism will still continue, the wars abroad (some legal, some less so) will still continue, the ever rising inequality gap will still continue, the destruction of he environent will still continue.

But at least we’ll get a few dozen surestart centres, I guess.

Better than nothing.

E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:49 am I agree with your point 1-3.

But I find it quite depressing that Starmer is determined to take Labour back to Tory-Lite. He even appointed a former Blair big wig to the post of General Secretary now.

Starmer has brought all the noisiest Corbyn haters to his shadow cabinet: Jess Philips, Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves .... and many others.
Rachel Reeves was the one who acquired fame by resigning from Corbyn's shadow cabinet even though he hadn't actually offered her a post yet!

Plus Reeves is the horrorshow that said 'we don't want to be seen, and we're not, as the party that represent those out of work' in 2015. Bang smack as the Tories were doing their best to dehumanise the disabled community, of whom many were not working. Horrible. Wanted to be 'tougher than the Tories'. Proper scumbag.

(Also a very popular thing to say in this country at the time which shows why you shouldn't vote because you want a winner, but should vote because you want someone good).

It’s all right being pro-Corbyn but if he ain’t going to get elected what’s the point? To win you need to appeal to people who hold the centre’Ish ground, left or right.

You can be though by some a wonderful man, a wonderful politician, a wonderful leader. But if you can’t get elected it counts for Jack.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:28 pm It’s all right being pro-Corbyn

I didn't think it was? Isn't he an incompetent, terrorist loving, commie, anti-semite?

A very fair assessment:

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Firstly, let me be clear I voted for Starmer QC (quiver chops) for leader.

However, I think he's bridged the gap pretty effectively from where we stood, as a party, last April. Well if I'm being honest he couldn't be any worse than Corbyn, now could he? No he couldn't, could he?

He's not what I would consider a left-wing Labour Leader. I still believe that Jeremy Corbyn would have made a dreadful Prime Minister and led our Country to bankruptcy. I absolutely adore the guy; and it's still gut-wrenching that he was oh so evidently lacking charm, charisma, intelligence and wit. Also he lacked the obvious polices that the rest of the country voted for, still nevermind you can't have it all?

However, I am backing Starmer out of blind loyalty to the Labour Party and I am backing him because a Labour Government under his leadership, would be a tory lite party where money rules and deep down I love the smell of fresh money.

Still if he messes jt up I can always vote for Boris again. I just love his Barnet!

Fixed a few errors for you NuneatonO.

Well that was a pretty woeful contribution Thor (even by your standards).

Never mind. It has gone Midnight in Australia; so maybe I should be in bed.

Labour apologises for spreading falsehoods and have paid significant damages to the whistle-blowers and a BBC journalist in their defamation case against the Labour Party

They were smeared by Corbyn's people for exposing systemic antisemitism in the Labour Party.

Defaming your own staff for pointing out racism. Disgusting

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mitism-row

Funny digby that the usual socialists on here have nothing to say on the matter, now there’s a surprise.

Joke party with joke fans on this board.

I think it has been handled very well, the smearing has been admitted and the staff compensated. The people involved with the smears should now be excluded from the party, if they were ever members in the first place.

Meanwhile in Brighton three Labour councillors have been forced to resign over anti-semitic postings resulting in the running of the council being handed back to the Greens. It would have been so easy to white-wash it over and stay in power, but they did the right thing. Well done Nancy Platts, the Labour Leader.

Mikero

Have to agree, Kier has done a fine job here of minimising damage to the Party's reputation and drawn a line between the bad old days and his new era

Unfortunately the former leadership that presided over this shameful debacle are refusing to let it go. Indeed Corbyn's statement today is full of the petulance and lack of self awareness that came to be oh so commonplace during his tenure. I understand it John Ware is consulting his legal team to see if it amounts to further defamation

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:37 pm Funny digby that the usual socialists on here have nothing to say on the matter, now there’s a surprise.

Joke party with joke fans on this board.

Couldn't give a toss about it if I'm honest; hence I didn't bother to comment.

Moreover, there's so much embarrassing news relating to the Tory Party these days, I find myself rather busy on that particular thread.

As for 'joke fans'.

Does that include someone who doesn't even know how to correctly spell our intro song; not to mention the fact that the UK also has 'Midnight'?

Anyway, how's the response to your 'Cabal' theory coming along from the Trump thread?

Mikero wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:19 pm The people involved with the smears should now be excluded from the party, if they were ever members in the first place.

Some of the people who went to great lengths to smear Corbyn have now been given a generous payment by Starmer.

Over to the Tory Party now to sort out their racism and Islamophobia.