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Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:18 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:36 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:13 am

So here we are again:

Saying that you have no sympathy for tens of thousands of innocent civilians being brutally murdered on a daily basis - OK.

Saying that someone is a C word for having no sympathy for tens of thousands of innocent civilians being brutally murdered on a daily basis - NOT OK.

This is the hurdle we're unable to get over.

The “hurdle” is actually not understanding that someone having an opinion which to you is offensive and outright abusing somebody are not the same thing.

Why should any user get to decide that they are upset enough to then break what is a clear message board rule.

If someone can demonstrate how exactly LSN has broken message board rules then we have a different situation. If somebody doesn’t have sympathy for something it’s not against the rules for them to be honest about this, providing they don’t directly abuse others in doing so.

What CEB is doing is trying to force an ultimatum whereby somebody has to alter their opinion so it is in line with what he believes in, even though the opinion expressed in the first place wasn’t against the rules.

Directly abusing someone is against the rules, regardless of trying to downplay is as “just” using a nasty word.

DO NOT post comments that are overtly objectionable: such as discriminatory, racist,

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:34 am
... innocent people ... which the entire population of Palestine clearly are....

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:34 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:26 pm I apologise if my clumsily worded post offended anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I wont be forced into changing any of mine.

I did not abuse my power or hide behind mod tools. I'm not prepared to take abuse, be misquoted, have my posts taken out of context and be wilfully misunderstood. I'm always open to discussion.

Thank you for the apology. I’m not interested in changing your opinion, you’re welcome to it. I was interested in whether you stand by your post. Since you don’t, we are good.

You *did* abuse your mod power, by arbitrating on a dispute you ignited. We are not going to agree on that though (except insofar as that I was under the impression your acknowledged that you shouldn’t have been the one to arbitrate on that) and I don’t care enough to press that further, because it’s apparent what you did.

I’ll respond to your apology in kind: I’m sorry if you were offended by being called a c*** when you clumsily made yourself look like one. Assuming you aren’t that clumsy in the future, I won’t call you one again.

Happy New Year x

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:06 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:34 am
... innocent people ... which the entire population of Palestine clearly are....

Without getting into the historical grievances and acceptingthe bad things done by Israel, are you including Palestinians who are active members of Hamas and carried out atrocities against Israeli civilians on 7th October?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:06 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:34 am
... innocent people ... which the entire population of Palestine clearly are....

Without getting into the historical grievances and acceptingthe bad things done by Israel, are you including Palestinians who are active members of Hamas and carried out atrocities against Israeli civilians on 7th October?

That’s not what I said but excellent misquoting.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:24 pm Also, it’s a bit clumsy calling the murder of innocent civillians a bad thing.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:06 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:34 am
... innocent people ... which the entire population of Palestine clearly are....

Without getting into the historical grievances and acceptingthe bad things done by Israel, are you including Palestinians who are active members of Hamas and carried out atrocities against Israeli civilians on 7th October?

That’s not what I said but excellent misquoting.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:28 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:06 pm

Without getting into the historical grievances and acceptingthe bad things done by Israel, are you including Palestinians who are active members of Hamas and carried out atrocities against Israeli civilians on 7th October?

That’s not what I said but excellent misquoting.

Genuinely not trying to misquote. But your original post does seem to state that all Palestinians are innocent.

Edit: you say the entire population of Palestine. Which I take to include those members of said population who have chosen to be active combatants. Are they innocent?

I'm not trying to justify the Israeli response or diminish the consequences on those civilians who are genuinely innocent.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:37 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:06 pm

Without getting into the historical grievances and acceptingthe bad things done by Israel, are you including Palestinians who are active members of Hamas and carried out atrocities against Israeli civilians on 7th October?

That’s not what I said but excellent misquoting.

Suggest you edit your clumsily worded post. Otherwise it sounds like you're supporting Hamas and I'll have to get Admin in to rule on if this is a banning offence.

*unt.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:46 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:28 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:23 pm

That’s not what I said but excellent misquoting.

Genuinely not trying to misquote. But your original post does seem to state that all Palestinians are innocent.

Edit: you say the entire population of Palestine. Which I take to include those members of said population who have chosen to be active combatants. Are they innocent?

I'm not trying to justify the Israeli response or diminish the consequences on those civilians who are genuinely innocent.

Not at all. It states that they’re all suffering.

But nice misquoting.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:39 pm You’re not smart enough to do this.

I’ve made it pretty clear which comment I think is racist. LSN has moderated and concluded it was clumsy, not racist.

Celtient wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:19 pm I'm a bit lost here. Can someone produce a flow chart or something to show who's arguing with who

Celtient wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:19 pm I'm a bit lost here. Can someone produce a flow chart or something to show who's arguing with who

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:49 pm

Celtient wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:19 pm I'm a bit lost here. Can someone produce a flow chart or something to show who's arguing with who

Yes, the flow chart would have an arrow pointing to the past, and it would say “the argument is there”

Anyone still fighting it is doing so because, despite their protestations, they like the drama of a flare up