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RedO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:46 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:43 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:55 pm

40,000+ dead due to late lockdown
Lack off ppe for health service workers

ALL ON TORY WATCH
Well said Thory

My goodness. Had Boris shut down a week earlier none of these 40,000 would have died. didn't realise that.

'None' is pushing it. But you could quite easily argue that most of them wouldn't have, of course.

None is silly. Not too sure how this can be calculated. Third, half, 10%.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:04 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:46 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:43 pm

My goodness. Had Boris shut down a week earlier none of these 40,000 would have died. didn't realise that.

'None' is pushing it. But you could quite easily argue that most of them wouldn't have, of course.

None is silly. Not too sure how this can be calculated. Third, half, 10%.

Exactly, it's impossible to calculate.

All you can do is look at those countries Governments that did lock down earlier in their dealings with this and see how they ended up with far fewer deaths on their hands.

f*cking pricks with their herd immunity.

"Yet admin in the biggest crisis ever faced by the NHS it stood up, was counted and did a f*cking good job.
All on the Tory watch."

Indeed on the Tory watch, but and it is a very big but, without the ten years of budget cuts, ward closures, out of date PPE stocks and 50,000 odd unfilled vacancies the NHS would have still have coped very well. The thing is they would have had the capacity to continue with the more normal demand for Cardiac, Stroke, Cancer etc as well. Vast numbers of staff have been seconded from other services to deal with Covid19 making whole department unviable.

The result of this for Cancer patients alone is thought to be 35,000 extra deaths in the next year, with Heart attacks not being far behind. So your 'Tory Watch' as well as having the worst Covid19 death rate per capita on the planet, until the US or Brazil catch up that is, could end up being directly responsible for over 100,000 fatalities in two years.

Mikero

Ps For Doh, consensus is that a week earlier would have saved 10,000 lives in May alone and slowed the spread enough to reduce the death rate in subsequent months as it did in Germany.

Positive action from the government today. Supporting everyone, not just the few.

Shame that so many haven't lived to see it.

Mikero

Here’s to hoping that this time it will be different. Boris has made great play about levelling up society etc. About helping everyone, the only person who can make it happen is him, the only person to mess it up will be him.

I’m hoping for a better and fairer society when where everyone has opportunity, where the poor get the help to step up, where homelessness is eradicated and one where people help each other. Other things matter to me as well, but there’s enough to be getting on with.

Good trolling from Thor.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:33 pm Positive action from the government today. Supporting everyone, not just the few.

Nowhere near supporting everyone. There have been huge numbers of people left to fend for themselves after falling through all these complex cracks.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:34 pm Here’s to hoping that this time it will be different. Boris has made great play about levelling up society etc. About helping everyone, the only person who can make it happen is him, the only person to mess it up will be him.

I’m hoping for a better and fairer society when where everyone has opportunity, where the poor get the help to step up, where homelessness is eradicated and one where people help each other. Other things matter to me as well, but there’s enough to be getting on with.

Ah bless.

Mikero

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:33 pm Positive action from the government today. Supporting everyone, not just the few.

Does that include the 12,000 who lost there
Jobs last week ?

Public spending on corona virus crisis hits £190 billion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53342271

Thats going to take some paying off

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:38 am Public spending on corona virus crisis hits £190 billion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53342271

Thats going to take some paying off

For how long?

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:34 pm I’m hoping for a better and fairer society when where everyone has opportunity, where the poor get the help to step up, where homelessness is eradicated and one where people help each other. Other things matter to me as well, but there’s enough to be getting on with.

Yet with those well-meaning aspirations, you voted for the Tory Party at the last election?

FFS...........you are most definitely a strange one!

Liz Truss letter puts Sunak and Gove on spot

A cabinet row over Brexit has erupted into the open with Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, warning in a leaked letter that the PM’s border plans risk smuggling, damage to the UK’s international reputation and a legal challenge from the World Trade Organization.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tary-warns



You certainly cannot blame Liz Truss for covering her own backside with this mob - but I don't think our unelected leader Cummings, will be too pleased.

Just when everything was 'oven-ready' as well.

HeyO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:44 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:38 am Public spending on corona virus crisis hits £190 billion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53342271

Thats going to take some paying off

For how long?

"£21 billion

By the end of World War II Britain had amassed an immense debt of £21 billion. Much of this was held in foreign hands, with around £3.4 billion being owed overseas (mainly to creditors in the United States), a sum which represented around one third of annual GDP".


Only just finished debt for the war recently & that was nothing in comparison financially

Talking of Cummings, do you think that once the Royal Commision into Covid19 is finished he should be charged with manslaughter? He is said to have been the one behind the push for the 'herd immunity' idea, a concept that would have been fine for a no fatal pandemic but even more costly in lives than we have seen so far. The result of the delay in beginning lockdown itself has proved that things were started off on the wrong foot.

No matter how much 'whitewash' they throw at this many careers in politics and the top of the NHS will quite rightly be over for good. There has been a litany of lies and deceit thoughout the whole pandemic, which still continues with the PM now blaming the Care Home sector for not following guidence that didn't exist and not using PPE they were not allowed to have, while at the same time having sick people dumped on them untested by hospitals.

Mikero

No.

Cummings AND Johnson should be in the dock for manslaughter.

Starmer QC prosecuting, would make it even sweeter.

A Gulag in Serbia for the rest of their days would be justice.

There was me thinking you might be posting something positive about what the government has done rather than your usual slagging them off. Oh well never mind, another day maybe? Same with all the usual lefties and socialists and even Marxists on here, some credit where credit is due me thinks.

Which ones are socialists and which ones are Marxists, Thor? Got a list?

Not written one down to be fair. It’s easy to work out who sits in what group.

If it's easy could you maybe just give me an example of two Marxists and two socialists please? I see both terms used a lot on social media these days.

"some credit where credit is due me thinks."

When I see something worthy of credit I will say so, so far I am not seeing much at all. There are unsung people out there who are beyond credit and should become legendary, politicians without an ounce of humility who go from disaster to disaster with no admission of fault or apology deserve none.

Mikero

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:07 pm Not written one down to be fair. It’s easy to work out who sits in what group.

Am I a Marxist or a Socialist; and can you explain why please.

By the way, thankful for the Government for what? For being made redundant a fortnight ago; or for my 'Sunak Meal Deal'?