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What a great video the best one i've seen on this s..t run political forum

One of his better videos indeed.

Mikero

Very good

It wasn't very funny though, was it.

No but very true!!

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 am No but very true!!

I didn't dispute the accuracy of it. I'm just saying he's normally very funny. There may well be lots of points at which you nod sagely and think to yourself that yes, he is correct. But no points where you would have laughed, out loudly or otherwise.

Very disappointing.

Yeah I suppose it's not that funny when he's taking the piss out of you

Thats the funniest thing ive heard fron DGC .

He's taking the p155 out of you for believing your
anger is because of the left .

Its like Alf Garnett ,
You laugh at Alfs Stupidity not
What he says

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:25 am Yeah I suppose it's not that funny when he's taking the p*ss out of you

Ha!

That made me laugh more.

First to 50 push ups

The politics of the nation reduced to a willy size contest, just what we need.

Mikero

How forensically grown up.

Sirkier tells the BLM movement to get tae f***.

Fair play to him especially as defund the police was Tory sentiment for most of the last decade.

If he carries on like that he could be doing 50 press ups in No 10.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:27 pm If he carries on like that he could be doing 50 press ups in No 10.

What a difference that will make.

Not that there’s a chance it will.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:40 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:27 pm If he carries on like that he could be doing 50 press ups in No 10.

What a difference that will make.

Not that there’s a chance it will.

Starmer’s no Corbyn.

Starmer has an impossible job. He has to appeal to racists and 'progressives' at the same time. They've obviously done the numbers and the people they lose to the greens will be a lot less than ones gained back from the Tories.

The numbers were crunched prior to the 2017 election by a research team at the University of Kent. Labour, at the time, wasn't interested in such data, as it contradicted their view of how they wanted things to be.

The Tories got it. May based her initial speech after winning the Tory leadership election on the data (referencing the "left behind"). But when it came to the 2017 election strategy, the execution was terrible.

In 2019, Team Boris made sure they learned from this mistake. Team Corbyn didn't. In fact, they actually managed to f*** up the one tactic they had been getting right up until that point - their ambiguity around their Brexit position.

The lesson for any Labour leader who is seriously interested in forming a government has to be; ignore the 'Momentum' type activists.

I'm not saying all of the above is a good thing, by the way. But it appears to be the ways things are.

Agree. Labour’s having to face the reality that most voters in the country are socially conservative (including it’s traditional core vote).

Which doesn’t in itself mean Tory or even right-wing, but it means being prepared to take a more pragmatic stance on things like immigration. This may annoy ‘progressive’ types, but personally I’d welcome a more sensible debate on a topic that’s IMO shouldn’t be a left vs right issue but been hijacked by the far left and far right (which so far has worked in the right’s favour with the Tories being prepared to play to that narrative).

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:18 am Starmer has an impossible job. He has to appeal to racists and 'progressives' at the same time. They've obviously done the numbers and the people they lose to the greens will be a lot less than ones gained back from the Tories.

Yeah, this.

He’s no McDonnell.

HeyO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:58 pm He’s no McDonnell.

What does that actually mean...genuine question?

Some recent meta-analysis of top quality social research showed that both Tory and Labour MPs tend to be to the left of the British public on social issues, particularly on questions of law and order. At a time when the government is demonstrably losing control of the country, and disorder is appearing everywhere, it makes perfect sense for Starmer to send a few signals in this direction.