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Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:25 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:19 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:12 pm Unless European countries (including the UK) are willing to detach themselves from the likes of AWS, Oracle, Microsoft etc, and restrict acquisition of real estate, agricultural land, and what's left of UK companies by US funds, then there's nothing that we can do that will make any real impact.

Do we have to "do" anything ? Can't we just wait for the American people to get fed up with double digit inflation, no medicare, no government services (and to realise that they actually need those services) and to finally rise up and have a civil war ?

Oh, just for the avoidance of any doubt, doing absolutely nothing is my default.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:00 pm Trump is planning to defund Federal Judges if they don't toe the line, plus his White House briefings have been "updated" so that his WH speaker and chums define who sits where - if at all - taking control from a press association who have done this for generations. I can't imagine why they might have done this? Oh, and they may also include certain "influencers" as part of the 49 people - normally serious journalists - who receive the WH Wisdom.

Plus the Donald has reiterated that he could stand for a 3rd term.

Plus he's said that he isn't ruling out a military invasion of Greenland if that is what it takes to take control. What a man!

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:35 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:19 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:12 pm Unless European countries (including the UK) are willing to detach themselves from the likes of AWS, Oracle, Microsoft etc, and restrict acquisition of real estate, agricultural land, and what's left of UK companies by US funds, then there's nothing that we can do that will make any real impact.

Do we have to "do" anything ? Can't we just wait for the American people to get fed up with double digit inflation, no medicare, no government services (and to realise that they actually need those services) and to finally rise up and have a civil war ?

Just cant see it happening as it would be the lefties that need to rise up and they're mostly middle class folk who are too insulated from these things. Also, they're wimps.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:41 pm 100% he will do everything he can to stay on.

Although would find it amusing if he found a way to amend the constitution to allow a third term and lost to Obama

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:25 pm 1 - I reckon there's an argument that there's a form of civil warfare between two broad elitist coalitions. And one of those sides, fronted by Trump, has concluded that the US-led "world order" is no longer beneficial to the imperial centre, so they are ending it.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:36 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:25 pm 1 - I reckon there's an argument that there's a form of civil warfare between two broad elitist coalitions. And one of those sides, fronted by Trump, has concluded that the US-led "world order" is no longer beneficial to the imperial centre, so they are ending it.

There is a very good article by Perry Anderson in the London Review of Books which deals with "regime change" and why the US is taking the action it is. Quite long but worth a read.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:43 pm Just asked Copilot for a brief synopsis of that article:

"The article "Regime Change in the West" by Perry Anderson, published in the London Review of Books, examines the evolution and impact of neoliberalism in Western societies. Anderson explores how neoliberalism has shaped globalisation, weakened labour through deregulation and outsourcing, and limited democratic choices by enforcing economic policies that favour capital. He also discusses the ideological and political consequences of these changes, including the challenges posed by immigration and the tension between economic and social considerations. The piece provides a critical analysis of the historical and contemporary dynamics of neoliberal regimes."

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:44 pm There's quite a lot in that article, so this is by no means an attempt to distil it down to one issue (Max is right that it's worth reading in full). But I think the author does a good job in articulating the convergences and divergences of populist movements on the right and the left. And, captures neatly the dilemma that mass migration places on any leftist attempt to unify behind any policy position.

This section in particular cuts to the chase.

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:09 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:44 pm There's quite a lot in that article, so this is by no means an attempt to distil it down to one issue (Max is right that it's worth reading in full). But I think the author does a good job in articulating the convergences and divergences of populist movements on the right and the left. And, captures neatly the dilemma that mass migration places on any leftist attempt to unify behind any policy position.

This section in particular cuts to the chase.

So basically its saying Right wingers hate Rich bosses for looking for a cheaper work force?

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:21 pm "Tough on migration, tough on the causes of migration"