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Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:49 pm**

That's quite the Wikipedia entry. In any sensible debate, you probably wouldn't want that person going in to bat for your side.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:08 pm**

Maybe the most disturbing thread I’ve yet seen on child transition

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:27 pm**

Is there any polling to show public support for trans stuff? I feel like the tide has turned and the majority have seen sense, but its still being pushed by organisations.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:52 pm**

I suspect public opinion has always been against ‘trans stuff’ but because of those coming at it from the right.

There’s definitely been an awakening amongst those on the left.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:59 pm**

Has there? Apart from me and you, and some other in this thread, I'm not yet seeing this awakening? If anything, the silence from certain vocal lefty supporters of the TA movement remains deafening. I may have missed it, but has the likes of Owen Jones held their hands up yet?

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 11:09 am**

This is so powerful

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:04 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:59 pm Has there? Apart from me and you, and some other in this thread, I'm not yet seeing this awakening

Not sure if you or CEB are going to crumble first with this leftie schtick.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:25 pm**

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2 ... ansgender/

Receiving complaints about women's records being held by people who weren't born women? Just do a bit of scorched earth and remove all the records so no-one has any! Problem solved.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:11 pm**

We just need to adopt the same approach for crime records and we'll have solved toxic masculinity.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:28 pm**

https://www.parkrun.com/blog/news/2024/ ... -websites/

See, when it's framed like this though it sounds reasonable enough. Maybe two separate issues are being conflated.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:35 am**

A classic of the genre.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:07 pm**

There's been some article doing the rounds today that suggests that milk from a trans woman's breast is just as nutritious for a baby as that from a real woman. I'd link to the article but leaving you all to search for "trans milk" is more fun.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:28 pm**

The obvious thing about that is that if milk from a man’s breast is nutritious and good for a baby, why are men not routinely encouraged to take necessary steps to lactate to help share the burden of their female partner?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:33 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:07 pm There's been some article doing the rounds today that suggests that milk from a trans woman's breast is just as nutritious for a baby as that from a real woman. I'd link to the article but leaving you all to search for "trans milk" is more fun.

And that comes from the NHS

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:33 pm**

With the number of parents in this country choosing formula, do you really think people are bothered about nutrition and science?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:41 pm**

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:22 pm**

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:41 pm

The joke here is Stewie's revulsion is nothing to do with health-based facts and instead based purely on society's heteronormative and anti-trans approach to breastfeeding, nothing in that sketch suggests that Peter's breast milk isn't just as fulfilling and nutritious as Lois'.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:42 pm**

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:22 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:41 pm
The joke here is Stewie's revulsion is nothing to do with health-based facts and instead based purely on society's heteronormative and anti-trans approach to breastfeeding, nothing in that sketch suggests that Peter's breast milk isn't just as fulfilling and nutritious as Lois'.

That is true. However I find the funniest bit is right at the start when you see Peter thinking about it, plus the sly look sideyways. It suggests that what he's about to do is more for him than Stewie.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:51 pm**

I hear you’re a terf now PJ

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:05 pm**

Just trying some stuff on for size.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:18 pm**

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:28 pm The obvious thing about that is that if milk from a man’s breast is nutritious and good for a baby, why are men not routinely encouraged to take necessary steps to lactate to help share the burden of their female partner?

Because men.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:49 pm**

I mean, there is that. If man milk was just as good, you know we'd keep quiet about it cos f*** doing that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:00 pm**

The question that that raises then, is this: what reasons might a male person have for wanting to breastfeed a child?
Is it more likely that
A: his inner soul has tits and so the poor womanly essence of the vulnerable woman trapped in a male body yearns to be able to nourish her child, sharing the burden with her life partner

or

B: he’s a f***ing pervert who would have been recognised unambiguously as a f***ing pervert until around 2015 when progressives lost their minds on this stuff

Hmmmm it’s a toughie

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:15 pm**

C they just want to feed their child and contribute to their care

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:23 pm**

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:00 pm The question that that raises then, is this: what reasons might a male person have for wanting to breastfeed a child?
Is it more likely that
A: his inner soul has tits and so the poor womanly essence of the vulnerable woman trapped in a male body yearns to be able to nourish her child, sharing the burden with her life partner

or

B: he’s a f***ing pervert who would have been recognised unambiguously as a f***ing pervert until around 2015 when progressives lost their minds on this stuff

Hmmmm it’s a toughie

Seems an odd response to kind of gloss over the - I would have thought - unquestionably inherent misogyny within health care and historic family dynamics.

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