Tory Watch

[PoliticOs]

Tell you what. I started to read it and couldn’t put it down. Was interested to see a Guardian journalist amongst those involved. OK, given my background this stuff, in depth reports, is my thing. The data was fascinating, the graphs extremely telling and the commentary surprisingly honest. An exceptional piece of work in my opinion and I’ve read plenty of big reports, and produced a few too, in my time.

The comparison between the Tories and Labour when looking at the approach to the 2019 election was massive. It was telling that despite wining, the Tories acted as though they lost, Labour despite losing acted as though they won. Hugely incompetent by the Labour top team. Other aspects of incompetence are seen throughout the work that dwarfs anything we see from the Tories, who, by this account ran a slick, precise and effective election campaign against Labours ragbag disjointed effort. Not hard to understand why Labour lost so big and theIf tough ask to regain credibility. Though will say my opinions of Corbyn are well known, this reports shows why. But even I was surprised by the level of his lack of leadership. Incompetence.

Whilst the report is good, it too plays into the hands of the Tories. It outlines in advance how Labour may go about improving for 2024 So the Tories, who will dissect every paragraph, will be ready.

It also suggests, to me anyway, that if Labour are to win an election they need to attract the middle ground People, start relating to people in the modern world and stop trying to be revolutionary far left protesters, which is how I see them. Blair got it so right, Corbyn so wrong. Parties exist for the people, something Labour seem to have forgot.

So, over the next few weeks I’ll read it again and digest it more. It’s that good. Well done Labour to do this, a real start on the long road of recovery now they have ditched the incompetent fool running the show.

Pretty impressed you read the whole thing already! But if this is your background then fair enough.

What would you say is in there that dwarfs the incompetence of the Tories, out of interest? Also, what examples does it give of the Tories acting as if they lost?

I disagree on the 'far left' tag, it just really wasn't, but think it gives a good example of why they lost, too. Labour were about as left as the Tories were to the right, but one of those were deemed as 'protesters' or 'incompetent', the other as realistic and competent. I'm really glad the report exists and is honest, but I think much of it is pretty simple. There was no way a win could be achieved with a 'Corbyn plus Brexit' approach. Maybe one, but not both at the same time. I actually think if Corbyn had been heavily publicly on the side of leave they'd have had more chance than Starmer and heavily remain.

Plus right side parties can team up easier than left side parties can as it's easier to be a Tory, economically right and concede some social issues to the left than it is to be Labour, economically left and concede some social issues to the right.

Looking at how Labour approached the 2019 elections compared to the Tories. People need to read it for themselves to determine what level of competence existed in the party. Not so much their policies but the wide ranging offers that failed to give people any idea of what they were really about, For me a bit like going into a pick and mix sweet shop. You may like what you see on offer but no way can you have it all. No clear message, diluted, fuzzy. So much on offer that people felt they were not realistic or deliverable. Which they weren’t. My views exactly at the time. Pie in the sky. Not credible. I would call that incompetent, others may disagree. The election result suggests incompetence to me.

Their 2017 message, for the many not the few, was better. The Tories had a simple clear message In 2019, appropriate at the time. Labour do talk about the improvement in 2017. Personally I see it as no more that people being sick of austerity, the May car crash of an election campaign and Corbyn making attractive offers. Yet May still won. Writing on the wall.

The far left tag is an interesting one. It’s about perception. Some great graphs in there covering this stuff and the ground, largely either side of the centre, parties need to win over. And where maybe people see Labour. Don’t matter whether it’s right or not. I need to study that a bit more to really grasp the message.

Interesting to see their take on people. The decline of the “traditional working class” voters and the decline in Trade Union membership”. All strong Labour areas but declining. People are changing, Labour still stuck in the past.

The habit of voters by age is fascinating. The young tend towards Labour but with age that tendency swings towards the Tories. Interesting to see also the numbers of working class people moving towards the Tories.

Interesting graph on socialism across Europe. In decline. The fight in future is around the centre ground.

I can’t possibly do the report justice in one read. Too much to absorb. Looking forward to some good bedtime reading over the next week or so. Kier has to break records to win the next election. I wish him luck.

Would you say you're particularly middle of the ground though Dohnut? Judging purely by what I've read here you seem to be more favoured towards the Tory party anyway. Could there be some bias? Not a negative, but worth being aware of. I know you've said you've voted for both in the past, but Labour in 1997 to Labour in 2017 was a completely different party.

It's interesting that you'd take the election result as validation that they were incompetent, or more incompetent than the Tories. The Conservatives from around 2010 have been effective in appeasing the right side of their party but as an actual government have been largely unsuccessful in nearly ever unit of measurement. The only one's they may appear successful in (i.e employment numbers) they have changed the goalposts on.

Also, to back up my belief that election result doesn't equal 'who was more competent?' is the fact that you're quite right that 'Get Brexit Done!' was very successful, and to a lesser so 'For The Many, Not The Few' was the same. That probably backs up that the country needs simpler messaging or doesn't read deeper into the headline, so again, I would say an 80 seat majority isn't about competence, but preference. And they are wildly different things.

It's interesting, as the report mentions, this distaste towards centre left parties and politics is being seen by historic lows across Europe. It's also not uncommon for people to move more right leaning in times of particular economic hardships nationally and globally, as we have obviously had a lot of since 2008 in particular. I'm not sure that reflects on how the Labour Party is or how competent it is, but it'll always get viewed a certain way and can only change that to a degree. See also; Raheem Sterling. He has done a lot of social good and started to get some plaudits for it recently but had a poor public perception just a few years ago, despite his good actions. Sometimes people will just have a fairly unshakeable belief and bias. See also; 'The Tories fix Labour's poor economies'. Realistically, they are both about the same as each other.

I'd also say to maybe read the part about Europe again as I believe from the glance I've had they are talking about mixed economy social democracy as opposed to socialism. And I think they are talking about parties advocating those ideologies having a decline in voters, rather than social democracy or socialism itself having a decline. As it isn't even governing or existing in some places mentioned.

One of the big issues as well is that people gained a distrust for politicians at an accelerated rate during the 90's and 00's as them being 'all the same'. So is centrism and going more centre (ie being less distinguishable from the other parties) particularly helpful? Going to be difficult.

Personally, I think the party isn't good enough, however, I think it is clearly a better option than the Government, but they have had a perfect storm over the last decade to cover their mistakes, so they'll continue.

[PoliticOs]

Even I'm bored reading that.

[Thor]

Some good points though.

However, in my lifetime the Torres have had to sort out the economic mess left by Labour, when labour have come back to power they’ve been left a strong and solid economy with which to work with. However, the policies that are adopted ultimately drive the economy in to decline, one reason for that is the monies spent on what could be argued are good progressive policies end up not being affordable as Labour fall into the trap of not increasing direct taxation as they are afraid of being labelled once more of being a party of high taxation.

Corbyn did have some decent policies, but he was a brexitieer which he failed to speak up about so people lost trust in him as a Leader, couple that with complete loonatic denationalisation programme and it’s a no from many people I’m afraid.

[tuffers#1]

Some good points though.

However, in my lifetime the Torres have had to sort out the economic mess left by Labour, when labour have come back to power they’ve been left a strong and solid economy with which to work with. However, the policies that are adopted ultimately drive the economy in to decline, one reason for that is the monies spent on what could be argued are good progressive policies end up not being affordable as Labour fall into the trap of not increasing direct taxation as they are afraid of being labelled once more of being a party of high taxation.

Corbyn did have some decent policies, but he was a brexitieer which he failed to speak up about so people lost trust in him as a Leader, couple that with complete loonatic denationalisation programme and it’s a no from many people I’m afraid.

Thor , the tories make the mess
Labour then hike taxes to pay for it & try
to put the infrastructure back on an even keel.

Blair then played tory politics .

So for 23 years we have had no government trying to correct anything .

I cannot believe people still dont see that.

[PoliticOs]

Some good points though.

However, in my lifetime the Torres have had to sort out the economic mess left by Labour, when labour have come back to power they’ve been left a strong and solid economy with which to work with. However, the policies that are adopted ultimately drive the economy in to decline, one reason for that is the monies spent on what could be argued are good progressive policies end up not being affordable as Labour fall into the trap of not increasing direct taxation as they are afraid of being labelled once more of being a party of high taxation.

Corbyn did have some decent policies, but he was a brexitieer which he failed to speak up about so people lost trust in him as a Leader, couple that with complete loonatic denationalisation programme and it’s a no from many people I’m afraid.

Thanks!

A huge problem for Labour will always be 'the Tories are just better with the economy!'. It just isn't true. It is very commonly accepted but it's not the case. A few lazy examples, without explaining debt/deficit or much else!;

- Up til 2019 there were 14 recessions, 10 of them under Tory govs.
- Thatcher had four recessions/contractions in 11 years
- Major had three in 7 years
- Employment peaked under Wilson's Lab government at 74%, Callaghan even had it at 70%, Thatcher's Cons got it to 65% then took 7 years to get it back to the 70's before it fell under Major. Blair never had under 70%.
- Up til the global crisis GDP was better under Labour, in general
- Gender pay gap has stalled under the Cons, improvements at a slower rate than Lab
- Going back to Thatcher, Labour have a better record with unemployment.
- Pre-Crisis public sector debt under Labour had gone from 40.4% of GDP to 36.9% despite massive spending
- Every Labour government in your lifetime has left debt. As has every Conservative one.

Lots of people think Labour should have had better regulation of the banks. Probably, but the Cons were arguing for less regulation. So is it that Labour did wrong or Labour saved us from much worse?

Essentially, each of the above could 'prove' better Labour competency, but even I, as a lefty, don't think that. Debt/Defecit and non household economics are full of nuance and many positives can be traced back to predecessors and many negatives can be 'blamed' on external, non policy, non government factors.

It's lazy to say one is miles better than the other. It isn't true. They are about equal in most aspects. Forget the Byrne note.

[Dohnut]

Pretty impressed you read the whole thing already! But if this is your background then fair enough.

What would you say is in there that dwarfs the incompetence of the Tories, out of interest? Also, what examples does it give of the Tories acting as if they lost?

I disagree on the 'far left' tag, it just really wasn't, but think it gives a good example of why they lost, too. Labour were about as left as the Tories were to the right, but one of those were deemed as 'protesters' or 'incompetent', the other as realistic and competent. I'm really glad the report exists and is honest, but I think much of it is pretty simple. There was no way a win could be achieved with a 'Corbyn plus Brexit' approach. Maybe one, but not both at the same time. I actually think if Corbyn had been heavily publicly on the side of leave they'd have had more chance than Starmer and heavily remain.

Plus right side parties can team up easier than left side parties can as it's easier to be a Tory, economically right and concede some social issues to the left than it is to be Labour, economically left and concede some social issues to the right.

Looking at how Labour approached the 2019 elections compared to the Tories. People need to read it for themselves to determine what level of competence existed in the party. Not so much their policies but the wide ranging offers that failed to give people any idea of what they were really about, For me a bit like going into a pick and mix sweet shop. You may like what you see on offer but no way can you have it all. No clear message, diluted, fuzzy. So much on offer that people felt they were not realistic or deliverable. Which they weren’t. My views exactly at the time. Pie in the sky. Not credible. I would call that incompetent, others may disagree. The election result suggests incompetence to me.

Their 2017 message, for the many not the few, was better. The Tories had a simple clear message In 2019, appropriate at the time. Labour do talk about the improvement in 2017. Personally I see it as no more that people being sick of austerity, the May car crash of an election campaign and Corbyn making attractive offers. Yet May still won. Writing on the wall.

The far left tag is an interesting one. It’s about perception. Some great graphs in there covering this stuff and the ground, largely either side of the centre, parties need to win over. And where maybe people see Labour. Don’t matter whether it’s right or not. I need to study that a bit more to really grasp the message.

Interesting to see their take on people. The decline of the “traditional working class” voters and the decline in Trade Union membership”. All strong Labour areas but declining. People are changing, Labour still stuck in the past.

The habit of voters by age is fascinating. The young tend towards Labour but with age that tendency swings towards the Tories. Interesting to see also the numbers of working class people moving towards the Tories.

Interesting graph on socialism across Europe. In decline. The fight in future is around the centre ground.

I can’t possibly do the report justice in one read. Too much to absorb. Looking forward to some good bedtime reading over the next week or so. Kier has to break records to win the next election. I wish him luck.

Would you say you're particularly middle of the ground though Dohnut? Judging purely by what I've read here you seem to be more favoured towards the Tory party anyway. Could there be some bias? Not a negative, but worth being aware of. I know you've said you've voted for both in the past, but Labour in 1997 to Labour in 2017 was a completely different party.

It's interesting that you'd take the election result as validation that they were incompetent, or more incompetent than the Tories. The Conservatives from around 2010 have been effective in appeasing the right side of their party but as an actual government have been largely unsuccessful in nearly ever unit of measurement. The only one's they may appear successful in (i.e employment numbers) they have changed the goalposts on.

Also, to back up my belief that election result doesn't equal 'who was more competent?' is the fact that you're quite right that 'Get Brexit Done!' was very successful, and to a lesser so 'For The Many, Not The Few' was the same. That probably backs up that the country needs simpler messaging or doesn't read deeper into the headline, so again, I would say an 80 seat majority isn't about competence, but preference. And they are wildly different things.

It's interesting, as the report mentions, this distaste towards centre left parties and politics is being seen by historic lows across Europe. It's also not uncommon for people to move more right leaning in times of particular economic hardships nationally and globally, as we have obviously had a lot of since 2008 in particular. I'm not sure that reflects on how the Labour Party is or how competent it is, but it'll always get viewed a certain way and can only change that to a degree. See also; Raheem Sterling. He has done a lot of social good and started to get some plaudits for it recently but had a poor public perception just a few years ago, despite his good actions. Sometimes people will just have a fairly unshakeable belief and bias. See also; 'The Tories fix Labour's poor economies'. Realistically, they are both about the same as each other.

I'd also say to maybe read the part about Europe again as I believe from the glance I've had they are talking about mixed economy social democracy as opposed to socialism. And I think they are talking about parties advocating those ideologies having a decline in voters, rather than social democracy or socialism itself having a decline. As it isn't even governing or existing in some places mentioned.

One of the big issues as well is that people gained a distrust for politicians at an accelerated rate during the 90's and 00's as them being 'all the same'. So is centrism and going more centre (ie being less distinguishable from the other parties) particularly helpful? Going to be difficult.

Personally, I think the party isn't good enough, however, I think it is clearly a better option than the Government, but they have had a perfect storm over the last decade to cover their mistakes, so they'll continue.

For sure I need to read the report in more detail. So much data, too much to take in with a single read. I fully accept my interpretation in some parts may be off the mark. I Take your point regarding the Europe angle. I welcome as always other people’s views. As for bias. Without doubt I disliked Corbyn with a passion so bias is possible, not against Labour itself but what I felt he was turning it into, something I really didn’t like. I’ve yet to say a bad word against Starmer, happy to continue to say how much I dislike Johnson. I have no party loyalties at all. I tend to pay attention to leaders and vote accordingly. I could never vote for Corbyn so it was Johnson by default. If it was Blair vs Johnson, Blair would be my choice.

Having read their approach since 2017, I struggle to see it in any other light other than incompetent and the election outcome as a consequence. I struggle to see how Labour would have been hit so hard had the previous 2 years and there campaign been a competent attempt to win power. Much of that time I had little idea what they stood for because the leader never seemed to anything other than sit on the fence at key times.

Labour right now is a million miles away from being the better option and Starmer has a massive job to do. But this report is a start.

[PoliticOs]

Thanks for the reply. Interesting! A few thoughts back though;

If you disliked Corbyn with a passion and what he was turning Labour into AND felt he did nothing but sit on the fence at key times also, isn't that possibly a little paradoxical? That makes it sound like you think Corbyn did nothing yet you passionately disliked him. That sounds a bit like unconscious bias. Either he did lots to make you dislike him (fair), or he did nothing and you disliked him anyway (bias?). Humbly suggested.

As you say, you personally vote for the leader above all. If Corbyn was just simply unpopular then he simply couldn't win. People just prefer Johnson, despite what their eyes and ears and evidence is telling them over a decade and beyond. Same as Brexit, it was a huge, huge deal. Without Corbyn and without Brexit they have a decent chance of a minority government, but they need to find a chest beater. Someone to talk about flags and British spirit and all that jazz. It'll be someone incompetent too. PM Jess Phillips? She's popular with that brigade despite being rubbish.

[PoliticOs]

For the record I agree Labour's messaging and way of selling itself was absolutely tragic. I'm not defending that.

[Dohnut]

For the record I agree Labour's messaging and way of selling itself was absolutely tragic. I'm not defending that.

The real tragedy is that somewhere in amongst their offerings there was some good stuff, I think. But I doubted Corbyn’s ability to deliver any of it. He divided his party and divided the country in my opinion.

Johnson at least created the perception of unity to a degree.

[tuffers#1]

For the record I agree Labour's messaging and way of selling itself was absolutely tragic. I'm not defending that.

The real tragedy is that somewhere in amongst their offerings there was some good stuff, I think. But I doubted Corbyn’s ability to deliver any of it. He divided his party and divided the country in my opinion.

Johnson at least created the perception of unity to a degree.

Loosely translated

Johnson lied his arse off & cheated the Public.

[E10EU]

So glad that somebody had the guts in April to leak a detailed report of what was going on in Labour HQ.
So far, it seems, correct action is being taken ……..

https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/20/labo ... e-oldknow/

but will there be a 'trying to sweep it under the carpet' at the end (given that Starmer has elevated the noisiest Corbyn haters to his shadow cabinet)?

[tuffers#1]

Wish someone would leak the Russian Stuff

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... zmxmUR6TF8


Then we.could really start understand the reasons for the last couple of years.

[NuneatonO's]

Blundering Boris: how U-turns and broken promises have split the Tories

From backtracking on free school meals to lack of planning over Covid-19, many backbenchers are in despair. But what now for the future of No 10?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... the-tories

Superb article that basically 'nails it'.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Oh wow, even The Observer are attacking the Conservatives. Could be a turning point

[Orient Punxx]

Pretty depressing article.

Tory MPs figure out they’re crap at governing.

[Thor]

If this virus teaches us anything is that together we can conquer anything.

Let me explain my opening line. Society has become fractured over time, with people driven by what we are told and see and we have become insular, chasing the pound note. I admit I have been guilty of that, but the system has or is set up for that to happen.

Now I hope that communities have become closer, wanting to come closer together and as a society focus on the stuff that really matters. We need to use our voices to be heard, it’s not left v right it’s about everyone together to deliver the real kind of society we want to live in.

I just hope there are more people out there that want to see real change.

[NuneatonO's]

If this virus teaches us anything is that together we can conquer anything.

Let me explain my opening line. Society has become fractured over time, with people driven by what we are told and see and we have become insular, chasing the pound note. I admit I have been guilty of that, but the system has or is set up for that to happen.

Now I hope that communities have become closer, wanting to come closer together and as a society focus on the stuff that really matters. We need to use our voices to be heard, it’s not left v right it’s about everyone together to deliver the real kind of society we want to live in.

I just hope there are more people out there that want to see real change.

People across the UK, had that very chance in 2017 and 2019.

Sadly, they didn't take it.

One day, they may wake up and realise.

[Wally Banter]

If this virus teaches us anything is that together we can conquer anything.

Let me explain my opening line. Society has become fractured over time, with people driven by what we are told and see and we have become insular, chasing the pound note. I admit I have been guilty of that, but the system has or is set up for that to happen.

Now I hope that communities have become closer, wanting to come closer together and as a society focus on the stuff that really matters. We need to use our voices to be heard, it’s not left v right it’s about everyone together to deliver the real kind of society we want to live in.

I just hope there are more people out there that want to see real change.

Wow. Some epiphany you must have had, having called Labour members losers and most of us “sheeple” very recently.

[Long slender neck]

If this virus teaches us anything is that together we can conquer anything.

Let me explain my opening line. Society has become fractured over time, with people driven by what we are told and see and we have become insular, chasing the pound note. I admit I have been guilty of that, but the system has or is set up for that to happen.

Now I hope that communities have become closer, wanting to come closer together and as a society focus on the stuff that really matters. We need to use our voices to be heard, it’s not left v right it’s about everyone together to deliver the real kind of society we want to live in.

I just hope there are more people out there that want to see real change.

Did you manage to make a few £££ flogging PPE in the end?

[Dohnut]

If this virus teaches us anything is that together we can conquer anything.

Let me explain my opening line. Society has become fractured over time, with people driven by what we are told and see and we have become insular, chasing the pound note. I admit I have been guilty of that, but the system has or is set up for that to happen.

Now I hope that communities have become closer, wanting to come closer together and as a society focus on the stuff that really matters. We need to use our voices to be heard, it’s not left v right it’s about everyone together to deliver the real kind of society we want to live in.

I just hope there are more people out there that want to see real change.

People across the UK, had that very chance in 2017 and 2019.

Sadly, they didn't take it.

One day, they may wake up and realise.

The Labour Party is currently not a good role model for people coming together and working together. People did see that in 2019. The Labour Party have woken up to that and are dealing with it to their credit. The Tories are smart enough to hide their divisions when it matters most of the time.

[Admin]

If this virus teaches us anything is that together we can conquer anything.

Let me explain my opening line. Society has become fractured over time, with people driven by what we are told and see and we have become insular, chasing the pound note. I admit I have been guilty of that, but the system has or is set up for that to happen.

Now I hope that communities have become closer, wanting to come closer together and as a society focus on the stuff that really matters. We need to use our voices to be heard, it’s not left v right it’s about everyone together to deliver the real kind of society we want to live in.

I just hope there are more people out there that want to see real change.

People across the UK, had that very chance in 2017 and 2019.

Sadly, they didn't take it.

One day, they may wake up and realise.

The Labour Party is currently not a good role model for people coming together and working together. People did see that in 2019. The Labour Party have woken up to that and are dealing with it to their credit. The Tories are smart enough to hide their divisions when it matters most of the time.

You do talk utter pish.

The Tories did it by very publicly ejecting moderate one nation conservatives like Rory Stewart, Nick Bowles and Ken Clarke. And now you’re left with supine careerist man babies like Hart Mancock etc who’ve completely about-turned their previous positions to remain in the party.

And you’re happy voting for it and being governed by it.

[Dohnut]

People across the UK, had that very chance in 2017 and 2019.

Sadly, they didn't take it.

One day, they may wake up and realise.

The Labour Party is currently not a good role model for people coming together and working together. People did see that in 2019. The Labour Party have woken up to that and are dealing with it to their credit. The Tories are smart enough to hide their divisions when it matters most of the time.

You do talk utter pish.

The Tories did it by very publicly ejecting moderate one nation conservatives like Rory Stewart, Nick Bowles and Ken Clarke. And now you’re left with supine careerist man babies like Hart Mancock etc who’ve completely about-turned their previous positions to remain in the party.

And you’re happy voting for it and being governed by it.

No, I’m not happy as it happens. But like I’ve said before, at the last two elections I’ve voted for what I see as the least worse option. It’s either that or not vote at all. I always vote. But politics today is at a real low in my opinion. Sadly at this present time Labour has sunk lower than the Tories as a party able to govern. Johnson is the best of a bad bunch. A view shared by many I’m sure.

[Admin]

Ok. So you agree that the Tories basically dealt with disunity by removing anyone with any sense of independent thought. Does that represent leadership for you?

Given the Tories handling of Covid 19 are you still content that Boris was the best of a bad bunch?

Oh and by the way, I’m no slavering Corbynite. I’m a left winger for sure but can quite easily recognise the sainted JC’s failings.

[Dohnut]

Ok. So you agree that the Tories basically dealt with disunity by removing anyone with any sense of independent thought. Does that represent leadership for you?

Given the Tories handling of Covid 19 are you still content that Boris was the best of a bad bunch?

Oh and by the way, I’m no slavering Corbynite. I’m a left winger for sure but can quite easily recognise the sainted JC’s failings.

Political parties remove people, businesses remove people. Even football teams move people on who just don’t fit (Fletcher). It happens, to be replaced by young men who have changed direction to fit the new role (Ross).

Personally I don’t believe Corbyn/Abbott etc would have handled the Pandemic any better. A YouGov poll, for what it’s worth, from fading memory suggest 57% thought he would handle it worse. But that is not proof, just perception and could be wrong. Don’t know and don’t care tbh. Nor do I believe our preparedness would have been better.

Though I can say with all honesty I would have cut Corbyn the same slack (any PM) as I afford Johnson solely on the basis of the size and complexity of the issue. Especially as I look around the world at others. A shitefest. There will be time for a reckoning and a chance for Starmer to show his worth. Now that I will find very interesting.

[NuneatonO's]

Jenrick under growing pressure after fresh Desmond revelation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... revelation

Obnoxious, privileged, Tory Boy Jenrick in the news again. What an absolute piece of slime.

Will Johnson sack him?

Not a chance; the utterly gutless .