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Dunnem is not a key player, in however high regard he holds himself.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:31 pm Amazing how the narrative of key players has changed so much in 2 months. People are slowly seeing what’s happening and changing tact
Do you know what, I think these Hamas guys might not be that nice.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:01 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html
You can't blame Hamas for carrying children and using them as human shields during gun battles. They just don't have any alternative, you see?Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:01 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html
So nice to be living in your headCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:34 pm Is there where someone posts a two month old link and say “well they did it then so I’d bet my mortgage they’re doing it here”.
Perhaps the Mothers were bombed as collateral damage ?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:20 pmDo you know what, I think these Hamas guys might not be that nice.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:01 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html
Not quite, Hamas came to exist because the P.L.O kept getting taken for a ride after years of talks. Hamas identified extreme violence to create a free palestinian state.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:35 am Probably, as that is what has led to Hamas forming in the first place. But what alternative did Israel have after Oct 7?
Imagine using Hamas (designated a terrorist organisation by the us and uk governments) as the yardstick by which to measure yourselves.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:50 pmYou can't blame Hamas for carrying children and using them as human shields during gun battles. They just don't have any alternative, you see?Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:01 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html
Plus, what about all the bad stuff Israel has done? Eh?
I’m sure dunnem will put up a multi paragraph post shortly dissecting the information released and discrediting the publisher.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:06 pm How strange that the IDF drone operators would claim kids are being used as human shields while the article itself reproduces several stills released by the IDF, none of which even claim to show kids being used as human shields.
The Daily Mail is beyond reproach.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:39 pmI’m sure dunnem will put up a multi paragraph post shortly dissecting the information released and discrediting the publisher.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:06 pm How strange that the IDF drone operators would claim kids are being used as human shields while the article itself reproduces several stills released by the IDF, none of which even claim to show kids being used as human shields.
So she says the 2 state formula never worked. Back to Palestine then ?
I thought the approved messaging on this topic was that there's no history prior to 1948?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:43 amI'm not sure why you're referencing all this historical stuff. The conflict only started on October 7th.
More liberal, left of centre Israelis are hoping that October 7th will wake people up to just how incompetent and deceitful the ultra nationalists in charge are, and how counter productive their pro settler, anti two state solution stance is. They have only made the country less safe and secure.
I've tried reading up on domestic Israeli politics. I'm barely scratching the surface, but my takeaways are that (a) there's no chance of anything constructive happening with the Netanyahu government in place, and (b) the ultra-nationalist parties are not going to go quietly and do have a relatively large constituency within Israeli society. I hope you're right, but I just don't see the same optimistic reading right now.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:41 amMore liberal, left of centre Israelis are hoping that October 7th will wake people up to just how incompetent and deceitful the ultra nationalists in charge are, and how counter productive their pro settler, anti two state solution stance is. They have only made the country less safe and secure.
It's an optimistic reading and obviously there's going to be a massive appetite for revenge that's hard to see go away, but have to hang onto the hope that October 7th was a reset moment where the Israeli people realise something radical needs to change and that an approach of more of the same, only more so, isn't going to make them safer.