Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Yes, the headline is a mismatched. But that may be intentional on the part of Labour. Despite the Tories handling of this crisis, including Cummings going for an eye test, they're still not making the gains they will need if they're to stand a chance in 2024. So you can expect to see more headlines that will be intended to appeal to English voters outside of London, university towns and areas of high-density/diverse population.

Having witnesed the self-implosion that the Etonian Spaffer has caused within just 6 months, I don't have any fears whatsoever that in a further 4 1/2 years (or even sooner), that we will once again have a Labour Government elected to lead this Country.

If people think things are bad now, just wait until the fallout of Brexit hits home.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:14 pm Having witnesed the self-implosion that the Etonian Spaffer has caused within just 6 months, I don't have any fears whatsoever that in a further 4 1/2 years (or even sooner), that we will once again have a Labour Government elected to lead this Country.

If people think things are bad now, just wait until the fallout of Brexit hits home.

If Starmer gets his act together he will never have a better opportunity. If he can’t win at the next election something is really wrong somewhere.

Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 pm Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

sh*t alias

Now that's what I call opposition

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:50 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 pm Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

sh*t alias

Glad you've announced yourself so succinctly, but there is a signature function I believe if you want to keep that under all of your posts?

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:50 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 pm Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

sh*t alias

You would know.

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 pm Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

Personally for Labour to win the next election will be a big ask. Not impossible but improbable.

What he can do is go a long way to sorting out the mess that is Labour and create a credible party that starts to appeal to enough voters to get close. The damage of the past few years has been massive and one of his biggest challenges lay within his own party. The knives will come out and the backstabbing will kick off whist he drags the party forward.

Boris will ride out the storm, we will be fed with a myriad of statistics proving the pandemic was both well managed given the situation and a disaster. And of course he still has 4 years in which to come out fighting, he will.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:51 pm Now that's what I call opposition

Corbtards in the comments stealing us moderates’ line of “a competent leader would be 20 points ahead”

You love to see it

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:34 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 pm Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

Personally for Labour to win the next election will be a big ask. Not impossible but improbable.

What he can do is go a long way to sorting out the mess that is Labour and create a credible party that starts to appeal to enough voters to get close. The damage of the past few years has been massive and one of his biggest challenges lay within his own party. The knives will come out and the backstabbing will kick off whist he drags the party forward.

Boris will ride out the storm, we will be fed with a myriad of statistics proving the pandemic was both well managed given the situation and a disaster. And of course he still has 4 years in which to come out fighting, he will.

Not really sure that answered my question in any way really, but thank you for taking the time anyway. Feel like that was just really ambiguous and a little waffly, in all respect.

Typical leftie Cobynistas like Oborne need to move on.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/k ... emy-corbyn

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:56 pm Yes, the headline is a mismatched. But that may be intentional on the part of Labour. Despite the Tories handling of this crisis, including Cummings going for an eye test, they're still not making the gains they will need if they're to stand a chance in 2024. So you can expect to see more headlines that will be intended to appeal to English voters outside of London, university towns and areas of high-density/diverse population.

You think they’re adopting the Tory tactic of lying? I like it.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:10 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:56 pm Yes, the headline is a mismatched. But that may be intentional on the part of Labour. Despite the Tories handling of this crisis, including Cummings going for an eye test, they're still not making the gains they will need if they're to stand a chance in 2024. So you can expect to see more headlines that will be intended to appeal to English voters outside of London, university towns and areas of high-density/diverse population.

You think they’re adopting the Tory tactic of lying? I like it.

Even if they lie through their teeth they wont get the seats in Scotland necessary to win a majority. Probably time to form a progressive alliance with Greens, Libtards, churches, play groups, lentil munchers, yoghurt knitters, etc

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:17 am

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:34 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:12 pm Say if he doesn't win at the next election (he won't), what would your thoughts be on what is really wrong? Would you suggest then it shows that democracy is a bit for show and the most establishment is the most likely to win, and that it doesn't really show what is good or bad, just acceptable vs non-acceptable?

Personally for Labour to win the next election will be a big ask. Not impossible but improbable.

What he can do is go a long way to sorting out the mess that is Labour and create a credible party that starts to appeal to enough voters to get close. The damage of the past few years has been massive and one of his biggest challenges lay within his own party. The knives will come out and the backstabbing will kick off whist he drags the party forward.

Boris will ride out the storm, we will be fed with a myriad of statistics proving the pandemic was both well managed given the situation and a disaster. And of course he still has 4 years in which to come out fighting, he will.

Not really sure that answered my question in any way really, but thank you for taking the time anyway. Feel like that was just really ambiguous and a little waffly, in all respect.

Generous analysis. Most of us have just dismissed Maffy as a contrarian cockwomble. Sure you’ll reach the same conclusion soon.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:20 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:10 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:56 pm Yes, the headline is a mismatched. But that may be intentional on the part of Labour. Despite the Tories handling of this crisis, including Cummings going for an eye test, they're still not making the gains they will need if they're to stand a chance in 2024. So you can expect to see more headlines that will be intended to appeal to English voters outside of London, university towns and areas of high-density/diverse population.

You think they’re adopting the Tory tactic of lying? I like it.

Even if they lie through their teeth they wont get the seats in Scotland necessary to win a majority. Probably time to form a progressive alliance with Greens, Libtards, churches, play groups, lentil launchers, yoghurt knitters, etc

Not sure Sirkier has much common ground with any of those groups. He could seek a coalition with the tories, I guess.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:38 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:20 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:10 am

You think they’re adopting the Tory tactic of lying? I like it.

Even if they lie through their teeth they wont get the seats in Scotland necessary to win a majority. Probably time to form a progressive alliance with Greens, Libtards, churches, play groups, lentil launchers, yoghurt knitters, etc

Not sure Sirkier has much common ground with any of those groups. He could seek a coalition with the tories, I guess.

Well he is a Red one so it would make sense.

Probably best to do and say anything just to win an election. Winning is what matters most. Don't you think?

"Typical leftie Cobynistas like Oborne need to move on."

What is factually incorrect about what they have written?

Mikero

Labour has a "mountain to climb" to win the next election says a new report.

New leader not enough to win again, Labour warned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53096233

The report paints a portrait of a party riven by "factionalism", "internal arguments" and "division".

faldO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:25 am Labour has a "mountain to climb" to win the next election says a new report.

New leader not enough to win again, Labour warned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53096233

The report paints a portrait of a party riven by "factionalism", "internal arguments" and "division".

I blame the Unions!



Oh dear.........we're absolutely terrified!

If you think quoting a survey 4 years before the next general election in the middle of a global pandemic and a world economic crisis is a good indicator of Labour's chance of being in government next time round, crack on.

And Labour is STILL behind in the poll anyway in spite of the current situation.

faldO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:09 am If you think quoting a survey 4 years before the next general election in the middle of a global pandemic and a world economic crisis is a good indicator of Labour's chance of being in government next time round, crack on.

And Labour is STILL behind in the poll anyway in spite of the current situation.

I'm quoting figures 6 months into a Tory landslide victory.

People haven't even yet experienced the misery of the economic failure from Coronavirus fallout; not to mention the utter debacle coming their way due to the mismanagement of Brexit.

Can you honestly sit there, still supporting the Tory Party, given their pathetic display managing this Pandemic? Clearly not.......as you apparently expect Labour to be leading the polls.

What you've also conveniently overlooked is that based upon these figures, if there was an election tomorrow, your mob would be out of Government.

Crack on.

faldO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:09 am If you think quoting a survey 4 years before the next general election in the middle of a global pandemic and a world economic crisis is a good indicator of Labour's chance of being in government next time round, crack on.

And Labour is STILL behind in the poll anyway in spite of the current situation.

Your struggling badly fella.

Dysfunctional 'toxic culture' led to Labour defeat, major report finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/d ... -ntp-feeds

faldO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:25 am Labour has a "mountain to climb" to win the next election says a new report.

New leader not enough to win again, Labour warned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53096233

The report paints a portrait of a party riven by "factionalism", "internal arguments" and "division".

Equally, this is too early to matter too much. But the swing over the past few months to Lab should be concerning to the Cons, particularly as it looked for a while that they would have a 'rally round the flag' jump.

Cons will always do better with factionalism as it's easier for a UKIPer, BNPer or EDLer to jump into their bed than it is for a Lib Dem, Green or SNP to get into Labour's. Cons are more concerned with winning regardless, Lab are more concerned with being 'correct' (not PC) regardless. So it's always a tough ask.

This gov have proved though, having been dramatically bad for a decade yet still popular, it is all about PR. I think Labour are getting that and so can water down their message to appeal a little better. Not my sort of politics, but it is the route to winning. Frankly, as is lying.