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Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:35 pm I see Handick is promising a Covid test for every care home resident.

Shouldn’t he tell us how many vulnerable people in the care sector have actually been killed yet? Seems the honest thing to do.

#truedeathrate

A social care action plan is being announced today and as is always the case there needs to be an announcement announcing what the announcement will later say.

He's going to go big on everyone being tested, although at the moment that means driving to one of about 7 or 8 sites in the country. Without many more locations and a method for testing people at home, which I guess will take weeks if even planned, it's just more talk. I'm sure there will be another new form to fill in to go with it though to add to the others that need to gonoff daily. If there's one thing that'll get us out of this it's a bit more paperwork.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:30 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:13 pm 778 deaths recorded in the last 24 hours

Reckon its gonna be a massive number tomorrow.

651 today

As per PHE

That is a great number.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:08 pm That is a great number.

Might you like to re-phrase that?

Why are the numbers being released earlier in the day?

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:09 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:08 pm That is a great number.

Might you like to re-phrase that?

Relatively.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:17 pm Why are the numbers being released earlier in the day?

2PM every day

Says 761 on the twitter

That'll be the UK figure

Oh right - I thought that was where we lived. If the England trend is showing signs of decline that's great. Assume Scotland will be a short while behind (not 20 years, before anyone says it)

651 was the number for England. UK deaths reported were 761, that's an awful lot of people but the number looks at least to be stabilising.

Key figures today will be numbers hospitallised, New infections and those in ICU.

Going to be a key few days to see if the lockdown is working.

I did clarify it was Public Health England's numbers fwiw

England death totals, figures for 10 apr onwards are likely to be revised (added to)

8 apr 771
9 apr- 653
10 apr- 606
11 apr- 637
12 apr- 540
13 apr- 399
14 apr- 113

I hope it is the start of a downward trend but it still seems more likely that there's some catching up to be done. If the number of hospital admissions has just started to level off than it's implausible the deaths would be going down first.

I don't know if it's the same for the NHS but the reports we send have to go in by 10am, so are obviously the figures for the day before. The stats from PHE are stated as the 'cases reported in the last 24 hours' I take that as the repors to them in the last 24 hours which they then report a day later, so there's actually a two day lag at least, which means there's still some from the bank holiday to be included.

Fingers crossed but taking one 'good' day as evidence of a downward trend is a bit premature.

Figure for the 11th the odd one out

UK Deaths in Hospitals for April to date as per the PHE website:-

15 Apr 2020 761
14 Apr 2020 778
13 Apr 2020 717
12 Apr 2020 737
11 Apr 2020 917
10 Apr 2020 980
9 Apr 2020 881
8 Apr 2020 938
7 Apr 2020 786
6 Apr 2020 439
5 Apr 2020 621
4 Apr 2020 708
3 Apr 2020 684
2 Apr 2020 569
1 Apr 2020 563

If the Lockdown is working would expect to see these numbers start to decrease over the next week.

The course of the virus appears to be up to 5 days incubation, and where it becomes more severe hospitalisation within the next 7 days, then for those in need ICU, so confirmed cases should drop first along with those in hospital and a few days later less ICU patients and deaths.

Up there with "Russel Brand has endorsed Labour - And the Tories should be worried"

Isn't the leader of WHO corrupt?

So the whistle blowers who were telling and showing us the truth about what was really happening in China have disappeared.

Surprise, surprise.

Three coronavirus whistle-blowers remain missing two months on https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

The true state of play; particularly in care homes; from the perspective of a Paramedic within the West Midlands Ambulance Service.

Please read this article. It is absolutely frightening but needs to be known.

My Bother-in-Law works for this particular arm of the NHS, here in the West Mids. This article is not sensationalism; it mirrors everything that he has similarly related to me over the past few weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... enied-them

No doubt, Dominic Cummings will be delighted.

The following is most poignant:
“This is really significant. Are these deaths at home being recorded in the daily statistics of deaths? No, they’re not at the moment. Is that a way of the numbers [of overall Covid-related deaths] being fudged"?

The current state of the NHS; and the acute condition of privatised Social Care; stops firmly at the door of 'austerity cuts' by the abysmal Tory Party since 2010. For God sake people, please wake up.

What's happening here is wrong. In the name of humanity, it is just oh so very, very wrong.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:58 pm So the whistle blowers who were telling and showing us the truth about what was really happening in China have disappeared.

Surprise, surprise.

Three coronavirus whistle-blowers remain missing two months on https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Its irrelevant what the Chinees govt did. That is history.

We knew what was coming and failed to respond in January. Probably December but that can't be verified at this point.

The Tories decided to kill us.

I read that there are around 11000 care homes, it is a big job to count the deaths at them all on a daily basis.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:29 am I read that there are around 11000 care homes, it is a big job to count the deaths at them all on a daily basis.

That’s what calculators are for.

You are just determined to find something negative to say.