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What evidence do you have to prove they were right?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:09 pmDon’t think people were questioning party democracy, just party lunacy. And they were right as all now know.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:47 pmParty democracy eh? Thats not the phrase you right wingers used when Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership..twice
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:21 pmWhat evidence do you have to prove they were right?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:09 pmDon’t think people were questioning party democracy, just party lunacy. And they were right as all now know.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:47 pm
Party democracy eh? Thats not the phrase you right wingers used when Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership..twice
Indeed they are dear chap; indeed they are.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 12:51 pmMy ire ( i love that word), is ALWAYS directed against the Tories...I hate them with passion. They are despicable rats, lower than vermin as Nye Bevan once described them.Labour, now are hardly better thoughDisoriented wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 12:40 pmMy ire was directed against the Tories, as yours should, or you will never see a Labour government again.
The last election. Conclusive.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:21 pmWhat evidence do you have to prove they were right?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:09 pmDon’t think people were questioning party democracy, just party lunacy. And they were right as all now know.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:47 pm
Party democracy eh? Thats not the phrase you right wingers used when Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership..twice
Move on.Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:45 amThe last election. Conclusive.
Why bother? When keeping him on is doing wonders for The Partie's poll numbers.RedO wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 am https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... e-22097178
Still no call for Cummings to be sacked?
Laughable 'leadership'.
Yeah, we are seeing just how right the electorate was on that one!Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:45 amThe last election. Conclusive.
Eh?RedO wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 am https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... e-22097178
Still no call for Cummings to be sacked?
Laughable 'leadership'.
That's all very well but I can't help believing Corbso would have handled both the Covid and the Cummings situation so much better than that tailors dummy Starmer.Nice Username wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:49 pm Starmer is playing things well so far and the only real criticism I've seen of him has been half-hearted attempts from bitter old Corbynite dinosaurs who are realising that they've lost their grip on the party.
Like when David Blunkett was criticising Corbyn for not sacking his top aides. Right. Corbyn on Covid. You mean the guy who refused to follow the over 70s guidelines, making him no better than Cummings. Corbyn has been consigned to the dustbin of history as a loser.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:29 pmThat's all very well but I can't help believing Corbso would have handled both the Covid and the Cummings situation so much better than that tailors dummy Starmer.Nice Username wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:49 pm Starmer is playing things well so far and the only real criticism I've seen of him has been half-hearted attempts from bitter old Corbynite dinosaurs who are realising that they've lost their grip on the party.
The final paragraph is nonsensical gibberish. If what you are saying is that people are more likely to vote for him then that's not right. I'm not voting Labour next time.Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:07 pmLike when David Blunkett was criticising Corbyn for not sacking his top aides. Right. Corbyn on Covid. You mean the guy who refused to follow the over 70s guidelines, making him no better than Cummings. Corbyn has been consigned to the dustbin of history as a loser.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:29 pmThat's all very well but I can't help believing Corbso would have handled both the Covid and the Cummings situation so much better than that tailors dummy Starmer.Nice Username wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:49 pm Starmer is playing things well so far and the only real criticism I've seen of him has been half-hearted attempts from bitter old Corbynite dinosaurs who are realising that they've lost their grip on the party.
Starmer on the other hand is playing it very well. His real issue is the size of the Tory majority bequeathed to him by Corbyn and that a General Election is very unlikely for years. Plus he has a lot of sh*t in his own party to sort out. Time moves on, the Cummings issue will disappear, Covid will be sorted and then the real political battle will start.
A long last Labour have someone in charge who could be attractive in the polls. Progress.
So, before Corbyn we had, Miliband, Brown & Blair...were none of those attractive to you in the polls?Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:07 pmLike when David Blunkett was criticising Corbyn for not sacking his top aides. Right. Corbyn on Covid. You mean the guy who refused to follow the over 70s guidelines, making him no better than Cummings. Corbyn has been consigned to the dustbin of history as a loser.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:29 pmThat's all very well but I can't help believing Corbso would have handled both the Covid and the Cummings situation so much better than that tailors dummy Starmer.Nice Username wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:49 pm Starmer is playing things well so far and the only real criticism I've seen of him has been half-hearted attempts from bitter old Corbynite dinosaurs who are realising that they've lost their grip on the party.
Starmer on the other hand is playing it very well. His real issue is the size of the Tory majority bequeathed to him by Corbyn and that a General Election is very unlikely for years. Plus he has a lot of sh*t in his own party to sort out. Time moves on, the Cummings issue will disappear, Covid will be sorted and then the real political battle will start.
A long last Labour have someone in charge who could be attractive in the polls. Progress.
It's really not.slacker wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:14 pm Things are panning out with Starmer as I expected. Those who hope for Labour to be elected as a slightly-less-nasty One Nation mixed economy centrist party at any cost, that the capitalists can tolerate (and ignore/manipulate), will be pleased. Any socialists will be less enamoured, but I suppose it’s better than nowt.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:17 pm Exactly this.
Starmer wasn't my first choice as Labour Party Leader - but was the choice of the majority of other party members.
His performance as leader thus far, has really impressed me. His clinical analysis at PM questions; and his stance during the Cummings debacle. At the end of the day, when something is self-imploding in flames, p!ssing on it doesn't necessarily help.
Much safer (and more enjoyable) to just stand back and enjoy the show.
That might be the intention of the New New Labour Party but applying the same old failed neo liberal policies to the current contradictions within a failing capitalist system will render them redundantRedO wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:07 pmIt's really not.slacker wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:14 pm Things are panning out with Starmer as I expected. Those who hope for Labour to be elected as a slightly-less-nasty One Nation mixed economy centrist party at any cost, that the capitalists can tolerate (and ignore/manipulate), will be pleased. Any socialists will be less enamoured, but I suppose it’s better than nowt.
I’m a self confessed Blair supporter. As for Brown, Milliband, Corbyn. Absolute rubbish as leaders. Shame the wrong Milliband got the gig as well.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:15 pmSo, before Corbyn we had, Miliband, Brown & Blair...were none of those attractive to you in the polls?Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:07 pmLike when David Blunkett was criticising Corbyn for not sacking his top aides. Right. Corbyn on Covid. You mean the guy who refused to follow the over 70s guidelines, making him no better than Cummings. Corbyn has been consigned to the dustbin of history as a loser.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:29 pm
That's all very well but I can't help believing Corbso would have handled both the Covid and the Cummings situation so much better than that tailors dummy Starmer.
Starmer on the other hand is playing it very well. His real issue is the size of the Tory majority bequeathed to him by Corbyn and that a General Election is very unlikely for years. Plus he has a lot of sh*t in his own party to sort out. Time moves on, the Cummings issue will disappear, Covid will be sorted and then the real political battle will start.
A long last Labour have someone in charge who could be attractive in the polls. Progress.
Actually, you're completely wrong:Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:18 pm Would you like to tell me how the guidelines for over 70's differered from the general guidance and how he broke those guidelines?
I'll give you a clue, as usual you have no idea what you are talking about and there was no specific guidance, you massive tw*t.
If memory serves I was in Australia and Corbyn’s reaction was reported there, such was it’s ramifications. If he can take that attitude, then we all can stuff. If people want to justify his actions as a Party Leader whilst criticising Cummings, fine. No doubt Jeremy was taking advice from his brother at the same time Abbott was taking law and order advice from her son.Nice Username wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 6:01 pmActually, you're completely wrong:Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:18 pm Would you like to tell me how the guidelines for over 70's differered from the general guidance and how he broke those guidelines?
I'll give you a clue, as usual you have no idea what you are talking about and there was no specific guidance, you massive tw*t.
Corbyn was regularly going to the House of Commons despite there being a clear work from home option for him. So there's a blatant breach of guideline 3. Guessing he probably took public transport to get there too.