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ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:16 am If any other country in the world was to do what Israel is doing to the civilians in Gaza, they'd be uproar from the rest of the world............but not when Israel does it for reasons i just cant fathom.
By the end of this, 50,000 ( at least), will have been murdered by the Zionist psychopaths, and still not a single word of criticism will be allowed.

There are 6 Million reasons. Lets not say Israel cant exist. What Israel must accept is wiping out thousands of innocent people is not acceptable, Hamas or whoever follows Must allow Israel Peace & Safety also. UN Resolution 242 Must be honoured & Respected by ALL.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:25 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:16 am If any other country in the world was to do what Israel is doing to the civilians in Gaza, they'd be uproar from the rest of the world............but not when Israel does it for reasons i just cant fathom.
By the end of this, 50,000 ( at least), will have been murdered by the Zionist psychopaths, and still not a single word of criticism will be allowed.

There are 6 Million reasons. Lets not say Israel cant exist. What Israel must accept is wiping out thousands of innocent people is not acceptable, Hamas or whoever follows Must allow Israel Peace & Safety also. UN Resolution 242 Must be honoured & Respected by ALL.

I didnt say Israel cant exist...........Id like to know where ive ever said that?
My message is Israel CANNOT murder thousands upon thousands of civilians, many are children, under the guise of getting rid of Hamas.
It seems to me, and if im worng, ill say i was wrong, that Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza. It wants all Palestinians out of Gaza, and then it can allow Israelis there, and incorperate Gaza as part of Israel.
Israel will not allow a Palestinian State on its borders, so where we go from here , I dont know

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:16 am but not when Israel does it for reasons i just cant fathom.

6 million reasons why should help you fathom it .

Israel is meant to be a place of Sanctity & Peace
for those of Jewish Faith.

Having said that the People who gave the land to Israel
Have allowed Israel to get away with far to much in fear of being called out as being Anti Semitic.

Calling out only Israelis or Only Palestinians is why
Peace isn't allowed to gain traction there.

It Must be Driven like it was in Northern Ireland
South Africa & to an Extent India & Pakistan.

The benefit will be for all
Not just some.

This is a fair point. There was plenty of uproar, huge demonstrations of tens of thousands of people, and media coverage across the world over the mass slaughter and/or ethnic clensing of civilians in Myanmar, Yeman, Xinjiang, Nagorno-Karabakh, Tigray etc....

But nobody seems to be saying anything about Gaza. Every time I switch on the news, there's not a peep about the bombing of Gaza. It's a bloody good job we have the board to keep us informed or else we'd hardly know that there's a war going on.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:49 am This is a fair point. There was plenty of uproar, huge demonstrations of tens of thousands of people, and media coverage across the world over the mass slaughter and/or ethnic clensing of civilians in Myanmar, Yeman, Xinjiang, Nagorno-Karabakh, Tigray etc....

But nobody seems to be saying anything about Gaza. Every time I switch on the news, there's not a peep about the bombing of Gaza. It's a bloody good job we have the board to keep us informed or else we'd hardly know that there's a war going on.

CBeebies needs to bring back Newsround.

Interesting.

The questions asked in this survey was: "Thinking about the war between Israel and Hamas that has broken out over the last few weeks, which side, if any, has your support?"

The war between Israel and Hamas. No mention of Gaza. Or the Palestinians. But Hamas. And some of those respondents actually said they support Hamas.

This week the bbc published an article about what Hamas did to the Israeli women. It was barbaric, some of the worst stuff you can imagine, i wont link it here as it was that disturbing.

So I've almost zero sympathy for the Palestinians.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:43 pm This week the bbc published an article about what Hamas did to the Israeli women. It was barbaric, some of the worst stuff you can imagine, i wont link it here as it was that disturbing.

So I've almost zero sympathy for the Palestinians.

You nasty c***.

Admin - are you really going to let that slide?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:54 am Wasn’t Mandela also considered a terrorist by us until we changed our minds and started calling him a freedom fighter? (All before my time so apologies if that wasn’t the case).

He was a great man. Next you’ll ban the dog…

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:39 pm Interesting.

The questions asked in this survey was: "Thinking about the war between Israel and Hamas that has broken out over the last few weeks, which side, if any, has your support?"

The war between Israel and Hamas. No mention of Gaza. Or the Palestinians. But Hamas. And some of those respondents actually said they support Hamas.

This is a sick 'survey'. Palestinian men, women and children don't seem to exist for whoever set up this 'survey'.

Two months on and the Israeli military with all their super strengths and weapons at their disposal STILL has not found all those Hamas fighters and their alledged secret tunnels even though Gaza is only a small number of square miles.

How and why is so much of the western world condoning and even supporting this?
Even the British military has now become involved, flying surveillance to try and find where Hamas is hiding.
Is Starmer still of the view that blocking food and water supply to Gaza is acceptable?

Israel basically controls United States. What Israel wants America gives them.
Britain isn't far behind America either
Meanwhile thousands of children are dying unimaginable deaths under tons of rubble.
America is as culpable as Israel in the genocide
This slavish devotion to Israel will cost Biden the presidency next year too

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:35 am Israel basically controls United States. What Israel wants America gives them.
Britain isn't far behind America either
Meanwhile thousands of children are dying unimaginable deaths under tons of rubble.
America is as culpable as Israel in the genocide
This slavish devotion to Israel will cost Biden the presidency next year too

What a load of rubbish.
Wear a long old coat , flat cap and hold a pint of beer and say all the above again and you could be the resident pub Middle East expert. ‘Israel basically controls the United states’. The only thing basic is your assessment.

E10EU wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:43 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:39 pm Interesting.

The questions asked in this survey was: "Thinking about the war between Israel and Hamas that has broken out over the last few weeks, which side, if any, has your support?"

The war between Israel and Hamas. No mention of Gaza. Or the Palestinians. But Hamas. And some of those respondents actually said they support Hamas.

This is a sick 'survey'. Palestinian men, women and children don't seem to exist for whoever set up this 'survey'.

Yep. It's a well-known Twitter account that describes itself as pro Palestine, pro Corbyn, pro Trans rights, partner of Novara Media, pronouns in bio.... so possibly said their quiet bit out loud.

https://statsforlefties.wordpress.com/

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:48 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:43 pm This week the bbc published an article about what Hamas did to the Israeli women. It was barbaric, some of the worst stuff you can imagine, i wont link it here as it was that disturbing.

So I've almost zero sympathy for the Palestinians.

You nasty c***.

Now that my ban has been served for calling out that c***ish comment, I’ll ask again:

Admin - are you really going to let that comment slide?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:32 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:48 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:43 pm This week the bbc published an article about what Hamas did to the Israeli women. It was barbaric, some of the worst stuff you can imagine, i wont link it here as it was that disturbing.

So I've almost zero sympathy for the Palestinians.

You nasty c***.

Now that my ban has been served for calling out that c***ish comment, I’ll ask again:

Admin - are you really going to let that comment slide?

I reckon he will let it slide.
Since hes been a mod, Admin has never sanctioned LSN, and i doubt he will now

Day 4 since one of the most blatant pieces of racism I've seen on this cesspit since the days of that HoddesdonO. And yes, it does indeed seem as if it's going to be allowed to slide....

It doesn’t strike me as “blatant racism” so much as exasperation that so many people, convinced they’re on the side of what’s pure and good, seem totally unaware that Hamas are not good guys as they happily flag wave.
Its iffy for him to put it as “no sympathy for Palestinians”, and maybe it could do with some clarifying, but I’d be minded to assume he meant “supporters of Palestine” rather than “no sympathy for innocent civilians”

I'm racist because I dont sympathise with the Palestinians?

I think the issue is conflating ordinary Palestinians with wholesale support/endorsement of Hamas. It's similar to blaming all Israeli/Jews with the actions of the Netanyahu government.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:49 am It doesn’t strike me as “blatant racism” so much as exasperation that so many people, convinced they’re on the side of what’s pure and good, seem totally unaware that Hamas are not good guys as they happily flag wave.
Its iffy for him to put it as “no sympathy for Palestinians”, and maybe it could do with some clarifying, but I’d be minded to assume he meant “supporters of Palestine” rather than “no sympathy for innocent civilians”

I didnt say 'no sympathy for Palestinians".

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:08 am I'm racist because I dont sympathise with the Palestinians?

The comment is very iffy because you’re hand waving the suffering of humans because of the actions of those who aren’t suffering. You really should know this, and at least be able to do a sincere apology if you didn’t intend to do this.

A more pressing question is - was it you who banned Hoover Attack for calling you out? Because if so, despite the apparent effort you put in behind the scenes to keep this place working, it stinks if you’re banning people for taking issue with stuff you post that you know will be inflammatory.

It’s probably a good idea for you to either not post on controversial subjects, or for you to make it clear that you won’t be banning people for heated exchanges with yourself. Otherwise it stinks.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:14 am

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:49 am It doesn’t strike me as “blatant racism” so much as exasperation that so many people, convinced they’re on the side of what’s pure and good, seem totally unaware that Hamas are not good guys as they happily flag wave.
Its iffy for him to put it as “no sympathy for Palestinians”, and maybe it could do with some clarifying, but I’d be minded to assume he meant “supporters of Palestine” rather than “no sympathy for innocent civilians”

I didnt say 'no sympathy for Palestinians".

Oh f*** off. I’ll happily take a ban for this, you disingenuous, weaselly c***. I was foolish enough to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you really are just that much of a c***

My opinion is that Israel will do what they have to do to get rid of Hamas and I'm fine with that. I'm satisfied that they try to minimalise civilian casualties. Most events on the other side of the world I couldnt give a toss about, I didnt realise sympathy (for anyone) was now mandatory.