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NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:51 pm Government ready to open British markets to chlorinated chicken for US trade deal
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 48431.html

Back in 2017 Michael Gove said there would be no such products allowed into British supermarkets, and as recently as January Theresa Villiers, the environment secretary, told farmers: “We will not be importing chlorinated chicken".

Downing Street on Thursday refused to stand by an earlier pledge to keep so-called “chlorinated chicken” off UK shelves, in the first sign of the government folding under pressure from American trade negotiators.

MORE TORY LIES THEN!

Just seen your post. There is more info I have posted on the McDonalds thread.

Scumbags.

So nothing has been agreed, no deal done and chlorinated chicken is not being sold here. Let's see what happens before you lefties get all bent up double over something that has not happened.

Cheers.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:06 am So nothing has been agreed, no deal done and chlorinated chicken is not being sold here. Let's see what happens before you lefties get all bent up double over something that has not happened.

Cheers.

It will be agreed though. Chlorinated chicken will be sold here next year (if not before)
British farmers will be thrown under the bus.
Gove lied in 2017 when he said chlorinated chicken will not be sold here.

Why is it then that amendments to the Agriculture Bill 2020 that were tabled by Tory members that would have protected our food standards were voted down? This will leave us open any junk food deal the government wants to make.

Mikero

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:17 am

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:06 am So nothing has been agreed, no deal done and chlorinated chicken is not being sold here. Let's see what happens before you lefties get all bent up double over something that has not happened.

Cheers.

It will be agreed though. Chlorinated chicken will be sold here next year (if not before)
British farmers will be thrown under the bus.
Gove lied in 2017 when he said chlorinated chicken will not be sold here.

No he has not lied as it's not sold here nor is there a deal in place for it to be sold here.

Mikero wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:25 am Why is it then that amendments to the Agriculture Bill 2020 that were tabled by Tory members that would have protected our food standards were voted down? This will leave us open any junk food deal the government wants to make.

Mikero

Maybe it will maybe it won't and until such times as it happens it's just an opinon it will be sold here. There is no proof we will dumb down our standards.

We just have! Read the news reports.

Mikero

Gotta love Thor. Throwing around tin hat theories on one thread and the upholder of ‘the fake’ on another

We, the people can decide if we buy the crap when it's on Tescos shelves.
If we decide we're not going to buy it then the shops will have to offer an alternative, or they'll go bust.

Chlorinated chicken: Urrrrrrggggggghhhhh

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:57 pm We, the people can decide if we buy the crap when it's on Tescos shelves.
If we decide we're not going to buy it then the shops will have to offer an alternative, or they'll go bust.

Ultimately the consumer decides as you say. Buying crap is not mandatory. But in reality how many people will really bother. What will get attention is the price. If it’s a chunk cheaper than the better stuff it will sell. Normal buying practice. Like clothes, they’re cheap, how many people really care about the source.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:20 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:57 pm We, the people can decide if we buy the crap when it's on Tescos shelves.
If we decide we're not going to buy it then the shops will have to offer an alternative, or they'll go bust.

Ultimately the consumer decides as you say. Buying crap is not mandatory. But in reality how many people will really bother. What will get attention is the price. If it’s a chunk cheaper than the better stuff it will sell. Normal buying practice. Like clothes, they’re cheap, how many people really care about the source.

Buying crap is mandatory for many.

Equally, many that care about the source do not have the means to buy picky, as much as they may like to.

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:59 am

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:20 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:57 pm We, the people can decide if we buy the crap when it's on Tescos shelves.
If we decide we're not going to buy it then the shops will have to offer an alternative, or they'll go bust.

Ultimately the consumer decides as you say. Buying crap is not mandatory. But in reality how many people will really bother. What will get attention is the price. If it’s a chunk cheaper than the better stuff it will sell. Normal buying practice. Like clothes, they’re cheap, how many people really care about the source.

Buying crap is mandatory for many.

Equally, many that care about the source do not have the means to buy picky, as much as they may like to.

And thereby is the dilemma.

Ways will be found to ensure we cannot find out which chicken is chlorinated and which isn't, suitable changes will be made to the Consumer Act to make it legal.

Mikero

Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:36 pm Ways will be found to ensure we cannot find out which chicken is chlorinated and which isn't, suitable changes will be made to the Consumer Act to make it legal.

Mikero

Like so much other stuff no doubt. No more dangerous than fags and they are still on sale.

Children don't eat fags three times a week as part of their diet though. Most of the time.

You would have thought that this lot would have learned at the feet of the divine Margeret. They insist on using statistics and targets and they keep coming back to bite them, you would think that the Tory headquarters roof has little space for more pidgeons to come home to roost.

Herself never had this problem, when they came to her complaining that the NHS figures were damaging them in the polls she just ordered them to stop collecting them, simples.

Mikero

There's unusual, the government has done a U turn on schools opening before the autumn. Probably the right decision but why put the schools through all the extra stress when it was obvious it was not going to work?

Mikero

The quarentine at airports will be the next u turn.
The government have no direction, they fumble on from one day to the next

Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:17 pm There's unusual, the government has done a U turn on schools opening before the autumn. Probably the right decision but why put the schools through all the extra stress when it was obvious it was not going to work?

Mikero

Because it wasn't about schools or the kids education. It was about getting the parents back to work.

I note that none of the private schools were being forced to go back. They restart in September. 11 Cabinet ministers with kids in private education. They really don't give one single fuk about youse.

A Programme for Recovery

A Road Map out of recession, by Howard Bennett, of the Unite Union.

This plan would better guarantee economic growth, sustainability & no job losses.

An absolutely superb article:
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/06/a-prog ... r-recovery

My gut feel is that this blinkered and blameless Tory Party won't adopt any part of this recovery plan whatsover.

I like those ideas, they suit the situation and need wider publication. I particularly enjoyed "Guaranteeing slots to BA must be conditional to them guaranteeing British jobs." Something that needs to be written into every government contract, now we are out of the EU we don't have to worry about competition rules any more do we?

Mikero

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:35 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:17 pm There's unusual, the government has done a U turn on schools opening before the autumn. Probably the right decision but why put the schools through all the extra stress when it was obvious it was not going to work?

Mikero

Because it wasn't about schools or the kids education. It was about getting the parents back to work.

I note that none of the private schools were being forced to go back. They restart in September. 11 Cabinet ministers with kids in private education. They really don't give one single fuk about youse.

Just wander how you expect the economy to restart if the kids don't go back to school. Yes schools shouldn't be used as childcare but most parents set up their work lifestyle as children have to attend school. It's not something we choose as a lifestyle option it's a legal requirement for your child you take that away and people who have both parents working are screwed.

JimbO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:35 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:17 pm There's unusual, the government has done a U turn on schools opening before the autumn. Probably the right decision but why put the schools through all the extra stress when it was obvious it was not going to work?

Mikero

Because it wasn't about schools or the kids education. It was about getting the parents back to work.

I note that none of the private schools were being forced to go back. They restart in September. 11 Cabinet ministers with kids in private education. They really don't give one single fuk about youse.

Just wander how you expect the economy to restart if the kids don't go back to school. Yes schools shouldn't be used as childcare but most parents set up their work lifestyle as children have to attend school. It's not something we choose as a lifestyle option it's a legal requirement for your child you take that away and people who have both parents working are screwed.

The point is that it is too early to restart the economy because the risk of infection is still very high and the schools going back exacerbates that risk.

HeyO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:15 pm Chlorinated chicken: Urrrrrrggggggghhhhh

You can eat it with your chlorinated salad from the EU