Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:01 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:23 am Ok, I'm here.
None of this is anything you don't know or haven't worked out, but here goes

Ok first I will give your an example of Long being untruthful.
There are a number of examples, but the latest one will do
In the recent interview King did with the Orient Outlook boys, he said very early on in the interview, that he has nothing to do with bringing any players to the club. He didn't bring in players and dump them on Kenny, but Kenny choose all his own players.
Then later on he was asked about individual players brought in during the January window.
When he was asked about Ethan Coleman he said that he'd been after Coleman for 2 years, since he left Reading.
Well 2 years ago Kenny wasn't the manager here, meaning Ling brought Coleman here, but he already said all the players brought in were Kenny's, which is untrue.
There are other examples too, but that one will do as an example.
Next, his workings are flawed. This is easy to illustrate. He reckons he has a great way to choose a manager. I believe he's described it as the long short list, then the short short list, then the final 2 etc etc.
Well this method had produced 5 failures out of 6. That is a flawed system in my book.
As for the last thing, interfering, I'm not taking this any further, because it's speculation. Probably correct, but not certain, so I'm leaving that alone for safety's sake

Firstly, where you are claiming Ling has said something, could you provide a source such as the time in the podcast he said it, so we can verify it?

Perhaps you misunderstand the workings of recruitment. Do you think a manager just watches a player then decides to try and sign them? I think its more like the manager says 'I need a tough tackling centre mid, who can we get?' Ling then talks with his scouts and other footballing contacts, looks at the budget and this all goes to the the transfer committee and targets are decided on, Ling tries to sign the player by contacting clubs/agents, but the manager signs off on, gets the final say on who is signed. Thats not lying, thats you not understanding the process/football.

Most clubs at our level are going to have a high 'failure' percentage of managers, otherwise we'd be in a higher league. Davis was an emergency appointment and I dont think many were complaining. Justin- great success, obviously. Ross- emergency appointment. Fletcher- failure, but also the club baulked at what he wanted to do and perhaps he was later proved right. Ross- arguably another emergency appointment at first, didnt do bad at all for a rookie and we've had far far worse. Jobi- it was a gamble and it didnt work out, personally didnt agree with it or the RE sacking. Jackett- great on paper, very few complained, except Portsmouth fans who have perhaps been proved right. So that is nowhere near 5 out of 6 failures, imho

PutneyO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:23 pm I totally lost all confidence in Jackett when he sold Dan Kemp

And I hope he never gets a decent job in football again, he doesn't deserve one.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:14 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:53 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:40 pm I'd say the two genuine failures are Davis and Fletcher. But with Davis' record it's not like he was a bad choice. Fletcher though was just a flat out failure from before he was recruited to when he was sacked.

And Embleton.

I dunno about that. Embleton first time around was a reasonable enough choice given the circumstances of him taking over. Second time around we just didn't progress as much under his tenure as we'd have preferred. He wasn't particularly inspirational, wasn't going to improve as he went on and worst of all used to touch his face in interviews. He was a poor head coach rather than a disaster. I think people like using emotive words like disaster to try to back their points up when they don't really apply.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:04 pm Jackett will be sitting at home with a big dose of schadenfreude tonight methinks

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:05 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:04 pm Jackett will be sitting at home with a big dose of schadenfreude tonight methinks

Why? He wouldn't have done any better.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:12 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:05 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:04 pm Jackett will be sitting at home with a big dose of schadenfreude tonight methinks

Why? He wouldn't have done any better.

Which comes back to the recruitment in January again, however you look at it we have four U23 midfielders all of which are lightweight and ineffective. Lose the CM battle lose the game.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:12 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:05 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:04 pm Jackett will be sitting at home with a big dose of schadenfreude tonight methinks

Why? He wouldn't have done any better.

Which comes back to the recruitment in January again, however you look at it we have four U23 midfielders all of which are lightweight and ineffective. Lose the CM battle lose the game.

Nigel Travis wrote:we needed a change in style of play and a greater engagement with our players than we were seeing from our management team

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:06 am

Nigel Travis wrote:we needed a change in style of play and a greater engagement with our players than we were seeing from our management team

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:06 am

Nigel Travis wrote:we needed a change in style of play and a greater engagement with our players than we were seeing from our management team

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:00 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:06 am

Nigel Travis wrote:we needed a change in style of play and a greater engagement with our players than we were seeing from our management team

Pretty obvious. After 20 years, 900+ games and several successes he still hasn’t learnt how to engage with players and understand styles of play. And that comes from someone who has never played or managed football professionally in his life.

Except it didn’t come from Travis. He has been spoon fed that little sound bite.

So who really is running the show then? Hmmmmmm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:53 pm I thought he came across as if he didn’t really want to be doing the interviews and would rather just speak to the players within the confines of the changing room. And that’s fine with me.

I also thought the players were motivated and putting the effort in even throughout our recent/current awful run,

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:22 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:53 pm I thought he came across as if he didn’t really want to be doing the interviews and would rather just speak to the players within the confines of the changing room. And that’s fine with me.

I also thought the players were motivated and putting the effort in even throughout our recent/current awful run,

All the moaning about Ross touching his face or wearing a hat and now you're not bothered about interviews?