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Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:09 pm
The info is all out there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... on_in_wars

They’ve not been at war for something like 17 out of their 250 year history.

They bloody love doing a war.

This Wikipedia article is good, it even includes wars they did on themselves and wars that weren't wars at all.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm I fully understand post-Iraq cynicism. But this default to side with whoever the US/West/UK/NATO (delete as appropriate) is up against, without applying any critical thinking, is depressing. And wrong.

It appears to be yet another blind side that afflicts the crank-left.

The Iraq war distorted people's views of foreign policy and RT stepped in where they saw the opportunity to play the imperialist card

I don't hold out much hope for winning them back though with events billed like this with said lead speaker

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:47 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm I fully understand post-Iraq cynicism. But this default to side with whoever the US/West/UK/NATO (delete as appropriate) is up against, without applying any critical thinking, is depressing. And wrong.

It appears to be yet another blind side that afflicts the crank-left.

The Iraq war distorted people's views of foreign policy and RT stepped in where they saw the opportunity to play the imperialist card

I don't hold out much hope for winning them back though with events billed like this with said lead speaker

Jesus. That's awful.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm I fully understand post-Iraq cynicism. But this default to side with whoever the US/West/UK/NATO (delete as appropriate) is up against, without applying any critical thinking, is depressing. And wrong.

It appears to be yet another blind side that afflicts the crank-left.

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:47 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:40 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm I fully understand post-Iraq cynicism. But this default to side with whoever the US/West/UK/NATO (delete as appropriate) is up against, without applying any critical thinking, is depressing. And wrong.

It appears to be yet another blind side that afflicts the crank-left.

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:40 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm I fully understand post-Iraq cynicism. But this default to side with whoever the US/West/UK/NATO (delete as appropriate) is up against, without applying any critical thinking, is depressing. And wrong.

It appears to be yet another blind side that afflicts the crank-left.

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

"We"

Dead giveaway.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:39 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:40 pm

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

"We"

Dead giveaway.

Wait your turn.

Are we all gonna get blown to smithereens

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:40 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm I fully understand post-Iraq cynicism. But this default to side with whoever the US/West/UK/NATO (delete as appropriate) is up against, without applying any critical thinking, is depressing. And wrong.

It appears to be yet another blind side that afflicts the crank-left.

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

Stationing missiles closer and closer to the Russian boarder after the West/NATO promised Russia it wouldn’t do after the collapse of the old Soviet Union. Therefore Russia has some justification in saying we’re threatening their security. If I can remember rightly the Americans weren’t too happy when the Soviet Union positioned missiles in Cuba

BIGRON wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:14 am Are we all gonna get blown to smithereens

If things kick off than it’s highly possible Ron but it would be nice to see another Orient win before that happens

china & russia v r.o.w looks interesting .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:14 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:40 pm

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

Stationing missiles closer and closer to the Russian boarder after the West/NATO promised Russia it wouldn’t do after the collapse of the old Soviet Union. Therefore Russia has some justification in saying we’re threatening their security. If I can remember rightly the Americans weren’t too happy when the Soviet Union positioned missiles in Cuba

No disrespect, but that's not quite right. This whole NATO expansion strawman is dealt with in the Ben Wallace article I've linked to earlier in this thread. When people say what you have, they are repeating a deliberate spin being fed by the Kremlin. You may want to consider your news sources and reflect on that.

As for this particular sh*tshow, there was very little public or political appetite in Ukraine for a closer alliance with the West until Russia attacked them in 2014. Since then, the damage and loss of 14,000 lives has understandably made the Ukrainians rethink.

Either we offer some assistance to discourage any further invasion, and help Ukraine defend itself should that still happen, or we shut our mouths and look the other way.

So far we're offering assistance. And I'm asking those who suggest we're somehow in the wrong here to explain themselves or, if they feel they can't, at least have the humility to reflect on things a bit more carefully.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:39 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:40 pm

Whoa! Who’s siding with the pesky Ruskies?

More than one thing can be bad, remember.

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

"We"

Dead giveaway.

Whoa! Where have I said ‘we’ have done a bad thing?

I’ve not read a couple of online articles on the subject so wouldn’t dream of passing myself off as some sort of expert.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:54 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:39 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Cool. What's the bad thing that we (or the US, NATO and or any other Western alliance) have done, specifically, in this particular sh*t show?

"We"

Dead giveaway.

Whoa! Where have I said ‘we’ have done a bad thing?

I’ve not read a couple of online articles on the subject so wouldn’t dream of passing myself off as some sort of expert.

I've only read Dunnems precis of a few online articles and I feel that I am fast approaching expert status. I just need to finish Putins People and I'll be there.

If countries join NATO freely, as in its their own choice, then how is that a bad or threatening thing?

Because Tankies swallow RT propaganda as it's appealing to their world view.

What is ‘Tankie’ please?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:00 pm What is ‘Tankie’ please?

It's where the Ruskies keep their fishies.

Even Paul Mason calling out the Stop The War nonsense, and that the speakers distance themselves from it.

Over 2 years on and yesterdays man is still living rent free inside every right wingers head.

On the plus side, Sirkier is out in Brussels showing he’s not afraid to do a war.

Yanks been told to leave, oh dear

https://news.sky.com/story/us-president ... w-12538715

Oh dear. Emergency NATO meeting called tonight. US officials briefing that Putin has ordered invasion. All EU staff currently going through emergency evacuation.

If this is it, it is going to be a catastrophe.