Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:37 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:35 pm
I know you put it in a nice list and it looks ever so factual, but it would be good to see some actual evidence to support your claim that:

“Her and her school friends did their research into ISIS propaganda and of their own agency plotted to leave the UK and join ISIS”

Most 14/15 year olds struggle to keep their bedroom tidy and hand their homework in on time, but this child was able to research a terrorist organisation and plot a route halfway round the world to get there? Right oh.

I wasn't listing facts. What I clearly said was "I think it's is reasonable to believe in the following."

Having read and heard plenty of accounts from people held in the ISIS camps, online information and guidance on how to travel was prolific at the time. ISIS invested considerable time and effort into designing effective communication that was easy to follow, as they had a vested interest in attracting as many recruits as possible.

And it really wasn't that complicated, or halfway round the world. You took a direct flight from the UK into Turkey and from there there were plenty of routes being advertised to the Syrian border. Most of this could be travelled using local buses. There's some similarity with how open and brazen some of the immigration routes are being advertised in Turkey for those trying to get into parts of Europe and the UK.

Sure, I get it that this would have been daunting for many 15 year olds. But you need to factor in their belief, determination and that they would have eventually been in the company of fellow recruits on that same journey. It's important not to underestimate the shared-experience/joy factor, as they all headed off on their wonderful little adventure.

The profile of Shamina previously was that she was a smart and promising student, so she needs to be given some credit that she may have been intelligent enough to follow instructions and guidance, and not a passive grooming victim. I recall on the BBC an estimate that something in the region of 900 Britons may have gone to join ISIS. That's just from Britain. I have no idea how many from across the rest of the world also made that decision and journey but, given that a percentage of them would have been thickos, ISIS communication will have been idiot-proof. It had to be.

Sure, I accept it's entirely possible that Shamina and her school friends got extra special attention and treatment that the thousands of others didn't. But my point is that it wouldn't have been necessary, as anyone captivated by the 'allure' of the caliphate would have found easy-to-follow instructions that any idiot could understand. Even a child.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:35 pmMost 14/15 year olds struggle to keep their bedroom tidy and hand their homework in on time, but this child was able to research a terrorist organisation and plot a route halfway round the world to get there? Right oh.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm Left

She was just a child she didn't understand what she was doing

Also

Votes for 16 year olds

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:54 pm I don’t think I’d have a clue how to book flights at 15 nevermind get to the airport, find out where I’m meant to be etc etc. Maybe kids are more savvy these days.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:07 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm Left

She was just a child she didn't understand what she was doing

Also

Votes for 16 year olds

Right

Hang the evil 14 year old terrorist bitch, she knew what she signed up for

Also

You can’t vote until you’re 18

Funny old world, innit?

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:07 am Regardless of the rights and wrongs or feelings on the matter this woman is never coming back.
Political suicide for the Tories and quite probably for a modernised Labour party too

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:02 am
I'd say bring her over and, if she's broken the law here, have a trial and settle it. If her age and the grooming are mitigating circumstances - and it certainly feels like that's the case, but let's see it tested - then that will be taken into account in the trial and in any sentencing. I can't see why it's more complicated than that.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:55 am She almost certainly will end up back here after a lot of wasted time and money. And when that happens it will be framed as the fault of the unelected Judges/Labour/Metropolitan Elite/the woke mob etc. Or Corbyn.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:23 pm Internet grooming confirmed by senior Met officer on BBC Radio 2 News at 11.

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:04 pm She deserves an in-depth interview on a Panorama-type show - surely?