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Great to see Ling finally get the job done. It is what he is paid to do after all.A Pedant wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:37 pmNeither so inevitable after all, it turns out.Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:54 pm if Ruel goes too (inevitable) and Cisse signs elsewhere (inevitable - Ebou mark 2).
So in the end, only Ekpiteta didn't sign up, and he ran his contract down to move up a division.
I've been waiting to see this reply.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:13 pmGreat to see Ling finally get the job done. It is what he is paid to do after all.A Pedant wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:37 pmNeither so inevitable after all, it turns out.Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:54 pm if Ruel goes too (inevitable) and Cisse signs elsewhere (inevitable - Ebou mark 2).
So in the end, only Ekpiteta didn't sign up, and he ran his contract down to move up a division.
I bet you don’t laud the dustmen when they empty your wheelie bin.
In the interview he references Jobi.Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:47 pm Wonder what changed Ruels mind, Happy he's signed because he can be quality and is our only forward with that little bit of spark.As for losing Ekpeteta not too bothered, because we should be able to replace him.
Having Ogie.Jobi and Ruel re-sign this summer is a good result.
I probably tip them more generously than you fella.y o y o y wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:36 pmI've been waiting to see this reply.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:13 pmGreat to see Ling finally get the job done. It is what he is paid to do after all.
I bet you don’t laud the dustmen when they empty your wheelie bin.
What a load of rubbish.
Guess you don't tip them at Christmas either. My bin man has even gone as far as wiping egg off my face
all of this, but especially Jobi showing great leadership and smoothing the rift created by Ling's public comments.RedO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:44 amIn the interview he references Jobi.Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:47 pm Wonder what changed Ruels mind, Happy he's signed because he can be quality and is our only forward with that little bit of spark.As for losing Ekpeteta not too bothered, because we should be able to replace him.
Having Ogie.Jobi and Ruel re-sign this summer is a good result.
But it’ll mainly be down to other offers not materialising, or us finally matching the wage he thinks he’s worth, you’d guess.
What rift was that? The one created by Sotiriou not turning up for testing and the first week of training without telling the club?OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:41 amall of this, but especially Jobi showing great leadership and smoothing the rift created by Ling's public comments.RedO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:44 amIn the interview he references Jobi.Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:47 pm Wonder what changed Ruels mind, Happy he's signed because he can be quality and is our only forward with that little bit of spark.As for losing Ekpeteta not too bothered, because we should be able to replace him.
Having Ogie.Jobi and Ruel re-sign this summer is a good result.
But it’ll mainly be down to other offers not materialising, or us finally matching the wage he thinks he’s worth, you’d guess.
Or the one created by Ling's offer not being at the level that Sotiriou wanted (and eventually got closer to)? We can keep tracing the chain of causality back until we get back to the ultimate cause, which was Ling (and Embleton)'s failure to value the player appropriately throughout the season - reflected again in the contract put in front of him. Ling gets paid a lot more than Sotiriou to make those kinds of decisions, and he is given a lot of authority to make them too. We should expect better. Sotiriou did, and he was right to.DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:06 amWhat rift was that? The one created by Sotiriou not turning up for testing and the first week of training without telling the club?
Or the one caused because Sotiriou was holding out for better offers from elsewhere. Or because Sotiriou had unrealistic expectations of what he should be paid or clauses he wanted in his contract.OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:16 amOr the one created by Ling's offer not being at the level that Sotiriou wanted (and eventually got closer to)? We can keep tracing the chain of causality back until we get back to the ultimate cause, which was Ling (and Embleton)'s failure to value the player appropriately throughout the season - reflected again in the contract put in front of him. Ling gets paid a lot more than Sotiriou to make those kinds of decisions, and he is given a lot of authority to make them too. We should expect better. Sotiriou did, and he was right to.
How do you know I have no evidence? I wouldn't speak with such certainty if I didn't, and you can trust me on that one too.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:41 am Like you, I have no evidence of the reason but you speaking with such certainty only goes to show your bias
Fair enough. But he wasn't after a massive pay increase. The issue was more about game time than money.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:25 pm If Sotiriou was after a massive pay increase Ling was right to negotiate the offer down.
It ain’t a good look for a DOF with 30 years experience in the game to be mugged off by a 20 year old kid with a handful of professional appearances. No-one seems to have considered this point
I think they have been. It's one of the reasons he has a back-office role (DoF), because he's not comfortable dealing with the press/fans anymore (and I do sympathise with that!). Which makes it all the weirder that he was wheeled out for the Sotiriou thing - which immediately created a whole lot of discord and ill feeling. Perhaps (as implied by Millennial Snowflake elsewhere) his ego was pricked by Ruel's impertinence, and he wanted to re-assert his authority. Which would suggest his insecurity is still an issue for his success in this role.UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:37 pmLing was a decent footballer and I guess a great family person and loyal employee but I really think he be best not making any further interviews - he is prone to use the wrong words or phrases and like the QA he ain't helping himself - if the owners read these boards can't they help the club by limiting his exposure verbally
I don't necessarily trust Ling, I can just see many reasons for the situation on both sides. For example as far as contractuals go the only thing I see mentioned is salary when term wasn't mentioned at all, or even much about release clauses.OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:08 pmHow do you know I have no evidence? I wouldn't speak with such certainty if I didn't, and you can trust me on that one too.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:41 am Like you, I have no evidence of the reason but you speaking with such certainty only goes to show your bias
We disagree, that's fine. But bias can run in both directions. You're perfectly entitled to trust Ling, as Travis does. I happen to think that's an error of judgment, and that there is a growing weight of evidence (much of which is public, and some of it is in the gossip which runs freely amidst football's professionals) to suggest we shouldn't. Time will tell, but I'm not looking forward to watching the club continue to under-perform with him still in a key role... and others in the club hierarchy are beginning to think the same.
Next year may end up being another free pass, as so many other clubs will be in even deeper sh*t than us. But with the resources we have, and the off-field leadership, there's really no excuse for us not be in the top 7.
Now you are just making sh*te upOyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:41 amall of this, but especially Jobi showing great leadership and smoothing the rift created by Ling's public comments.RedO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:44 amIn the interview he references Jobi.Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:47 pm Wonder what changed Ruels mind, Happy he's signed because he can be quality and is our only forward with that little bit of spark.As for losing Ekpeteta not too bothered, because we should be able to replace him.
Having Ogie.Jobi and Ruel re-sign this summer is a good result.
But it’ll mainly be down to other offers not materialising, or us finally matching the wage he thinks he’s worth, you’d guess.
Not sure of the exact reason that Sotiriou did not turn up for testing and first week of training but maybe you do. My guess is that when the dates for season starting and pre season training begining were announced the clubs contract offer or any new offer were still short of what Ruel or is agent were asking for. Putting him on a weekly contract allowed negotiations to continue with the safety net of financial reccompence if Ruel left the club. The club probably realised that he was a potential transfer assett and they may have upped thier contract offer but only on a two year instead of three year deal. For Ruels part thier was possibly a certain club who had approached him with better terms but they are presently not in a position to proceed with a transfer deal. Both parties club and player could probably have handled things better and i hope the club in future are more pro-active with contract offers for our better players, espescially home grown.DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:06 amWhat rift was that? The one created by Sotiriou not turning up for testing and the first week of training without telling the club?
There’s no way it was us wanting just two years.AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 pm Probably offered two years to make a offer nearer to his expectations. If he has a decent season will be gone in twelve months, every one's a winner financially.
Red, why do you think that, although you could be right. I know when you enter your last year of contract any potential buying club could try to knock the price down so 3 years sounds sensible.RedO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:55 amThere’s no way it was us wanting just two years.AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 pm Probably offered two years to make a offer nearer to his expectations. If he has a decent season will be gone in twelve months, every one's a winner financially.
No, that's precisely my point! I don't underrate it at all - in fact that was why I said we should be in the top 7 (see above). Let me expand: last season we had a top 8 budget, 3rd largest crowds at home, some of the best revenues in the division, extremely supportive owners/investors - and all this was before COVID damaged other clubs much more than it damaged ours.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:02 pmI don't necessarily trust Ling, I can just see many reasons for the situation on both sides. For example as far as contractuals go the only thing I see mentioned is salary when term wasn't mentioned at all, or even much about release clauses.OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:08 pmHow do you know I have no evidence? I wouldn't speak with such certainty if I didn't, and you can trust me on that one too.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:41 am Like you, I have no evidence of the reason but you speaking with such certainty only goes to show your bias
We disagree, that's fine. But bias can run in both directions. You're perfectly entitled to trust Ling, as Travis does. I happen to think that's an error of judgment, and that there is a growing weight of evidence (much of which is public, and some of it is in the gossip which runs freely amidst football's professionals) to suggest we shouldn't. Time will tell, but I'm not looking forward to watching the club continue to under-perform with him still in a key role... and others in the club hierarchy are beginning to think the same.
Next year may end up being another free pass, as so many other clubs will be in even deeper sh*t than us. But with the resources we have, and the off-field leadership, there's really no excuse for us not be in the top 7.
Don't agree about top 7 but without wanting to seem like I'm nitpicking I'd at least expect a top half finish based on progressing.
Also, us being in less deep sh*t than other clubs is at least partly down to the way ours is run, which you seem to underrate for some reason.
In his third year, he wouldn’t be a young inexperienced player.AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:21 amRed, why do you think that, although you could be right. I know when you enter your last year of contract any potential buying club could try to knock the price down so 3 years sounds sensible.RedO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:55 amThere’s no way it was us wanting just two years.AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 pm Probably offered two years to make a offer nearer to his expectations. If he has a decent season will be gone in twelve months, every one's a winner financially.
My reasoning is that the club have gone way above what they would normally pay a young inexperienced player but to lose him for next to nothing is bad buisiness. In a nutshell they could not afford to pay what they are paying over 3 years.