Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Defensive, offensive. Stats don’t tell all the story but ours against the bottom team in the league are a disgrace. This isn’t about this player or that player but the squad performance. The squad performance seems to have been an utter disgrace from the start to the finish against a team with one win in 16 and who have lost their managerial team and were being looked after by the senior players.

Absolute f*cking disgrace and I don’t see any way to gloss this up. Shocking.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:19 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:15 pm

Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:10 pm Everything was fine in my opinion, until this appointment.

Apart from when we were 20th under Ross, playing 5-3-2 and rolling over for anyone who played us? Players weren't exactly busting a gut for him either at times.

Squad isn't good enough, fitness isn't good enough. Big changes and big money spend required in January or we're in big trouble.

Agreed . If today hasn't shown Carl where our weaknesses are than nothing will. The club thought he was the best man for the job so now they have to back him up in the transfer/loan market before we slip into relegation trouble .

The weaknesses have been known since Davis was in charge. The fact the club (Ling, Foster etc) fail time and again to address them suggests the finger needs pointing at a few others besides Fletcher.

As for our terrible fitness levels this season that needs a long hard look too. Another late goal today to add to the collection.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:10 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:05 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:03 pm I still can't get over starting the game today with most of our attacking players on the bench . Although I'm quite used to us losing I can't help feeling very angry at the moment . Today was total sh*t .

This is tosh.

We had a very offensive bench, for sure.

Which non attacking player would you have replaced from the starting lineup?

Against the bottom team we should have gone there all guns firing . We didn't and lost . Only one man to blame .

I think the 11 O’s players on the pitch need to take some responsibility too - don’t you?

redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:23 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:10 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:05 pm

This is tosh.

We had a very offensive bench, for sure.

Which non attacking player would you have replaced from the starting lineup?

Against the bottom team we should have gone there all guns firing . We didn't and lost . Only one man to blame .

I think the 11 O’s players on the pitch need to take some responsibility too - don’t you?

It was a poor result for sure but Reddwarf is just looking for a scapegoat and someone to take it out on.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:16 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:13 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:10 pm


Against the bottom team we should have gone there all guns firing . We didn't and lost . Only one man to blame .

I think the 11 on the pitch need to take some responsibility for the loss too - don’t you?

Yes, correct and that's why I said if I was Carl I would be looking at bringing in a couple of loans players . Today he should have seen where our dead wood is . Maybe go back to Bournemouth and borrow one or two of their fringe players for at least a couple of months

Sorry, thought you said only one man was to blame?

The statistics I've just looked at says we never had a single shot on target , says it all really ☹

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:21 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:19 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:15 pm

Apart from when we were 20th under Ross, playing 5-3-2 and rolling over for anyone who played us? Players weren't exactly busting a gut for him either at times.

Squad isn't good enough, fitness isn't good enough. Big changes and big money spend required in January or we're in big trouble.

Agreed . If today hasn't shown Carl where our weaknesses are than nothing will. The club thought he was the best man for the job so now they have to back him up in the transfer/loan market before we slip into relegation trouble .

The weaknesses have been known since Davis was in charge. The fact the club (Ling, Foster etc) fail time and again to address them suggests the finger needs pointing at a few others besides Fletcher.

As for our terrible fitness levels this season that needs a long hard look too. Another late goal today to add to the collection.

How many times do I have to say it - Ling has to go. His fingerprints are all over Fletcher.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:18 pm The Carling has gone flat already.

Flat from the first glass poured !

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:16 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:13 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:10 pm


Against the bottom team we should have gone there all guns firing . We didn't and lost . Only one man to blame .

I think the 11 on the pitch need to take some responsibility for the loss too - don’t you?

Yes, correct and that's why I said if I was Carl I would be looking at bringing in a couple of loans players . Today he should have seen where our dead wood is . Maybe go back to Bournemouth and borrow one or two of their fringe players for at least a couple of months

Are we able to loan anyone now?

Did we miss the new manager bounce?

I wonder what Teague meant when he said we would all be surprised by the new appointment.

Story of O wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:41 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:16 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:13 pm
I think the 11 on the pitch need to take some responsibility for the loss too - don’t you?

Yes, correct and that's why I said if I was Carl I would be looking at bringing in a couple of loans players . Today he should have seen where our dead wood is . Maybe go back to Bournemouth and borrow one or two of their fringe players for at least a couple of months

Are we able to loan anyone now?

Nope, window shut until January. That's why starting the season with a paper thin squad was naive bordering on negligent knowing we can't add to it like we used to be able to.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:31 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:21 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:19 pm


Agreed . If today hasn't shown Carl where our weaknesses are than nothing will. The club thought he was the best man for the job so now they have to back him up in the transfer/loan market before we slip into relegation trouble .

The weaknesses have been known since Davis was in charge. The fact the club (Ling, Foster etc) fail time and again to address them suggests the finger needs pointing at a few others besides Fletcher.

As for our terrible fitness levels this season that needs a long hard look too. Another late goal today to add to the collection.

How many times do I have to say it - Ling has to go. His fingerprints are all over Fletcher.

Hang on a minute give fletch time to get across his views and playing style etc. I am not happy about losing to such a poor side and yes Ling did appoint him, but he needs more than what is it 3 games?

One of the worst teams seen at their place this season, according to their fans forum. They bossed the game especially in mid field too.

Well done Orient, a new low.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:47 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:31 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:21 pm

The weaknesses have been known since Davis was in charge. The fact the club (Ling, Foster etc) fail time and again to address them suggests the finger needs pointing at a few others besides Fletcher.

As for our terrible fitness levels this season that needs a long hard look too. Another late goal today to add to the collection.

How many times do I have to say it - Ling has to go. His fingerprints are all over Fletcher.

Hang on a minute give fletch time to get across his views and playing style etc. I am not happy about losing to such a poor side and yes Ling did appoint him, but he needs more than what is it 3 games?

I could accept this needing more time stuff had he inherited a struggling side. But he inherited a side in great from, scoring goals and not conceding many either looking a recent form. He could not have had it any easier. What he has done is transformed it into a bunch of losers.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:53 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:47 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:31 pm

How many times do I have to say it - Ling has to go. His fingerprints are all over Fletcher.

Hang on a minute give fletch time to get across his views and playing style etc. I am not happy about losing to such a poor side and yes Ling did appoint him, but he needs more than what is it 3 games?

I could accept this needing more time stuff had he inherited a struggling side. But he inherited a side in great from, scoring goals and not conceding many either looking a recent form. He could not have had it any easier. What he has done is transformed it into a bunch of losers.

Well put

Ross could be back in charge by Boxing day!

Yes that's right, he inherited a team in great form, scoring goals and not conceding many goals either but still some were calling for a new manager to replace Ross??
I'm pretty sure Ling & T & T DO read this forum & our Facebook page so they made the change & now we have Fletcher & by the looks of ot so far not very impressive.
He does need time to get his ideas over but not looking good so far. We should of carried on with Ross by the looks of things.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:20 pm Defensive, offensive. Stats don’t tell all the story but ours against the bottom team in the league are a disgrace. This isn’t about this player or that player but the squad performance. The squad performance seems to have been an utter disgrace from the start to the finish against a team with one win in 16 and who have lost their managerial team and were being looked after by the senior players.

Absolute f*cking disgrace and I don’t see any way to gloss this up. Shocking.

Absolutely this . It's totally unacceptable. Sounds like we picked up where we left off second half against Carlisle.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:49 pm One of the worst teams seen at their place this season, according to their fans forum. They bossed the game especially in mid field too.

Well done Orient, a new low.

Carl said last week that he wasn't worried about our second half performance against Carlisle . If he's not worried now after today ,he bloody well should be .

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:51 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:43 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:39 pm Why is Alabi on the bench?

I've been a critic of Alabi but the bloke scores one and wins a penalty in his last outing and hasn't played since . What exactly do we need him to do .If Fletcher isn't going to play him why bother having him on the bench

He came on again and was his usual embarrassing self.

Did he fook , what game was you watching ? , he may have even done better than the poo poo we had out there today and

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:05 pm Yes that's right, he inherited a team in great form, scoring goals and not conceding many goals either but still some were calling for a new manager to replace Ross??
I'm pretty sure Ling & T & T DO read this forum & our Facebook page so they made the change & now we have Fletcher & by the looks of ot so far not very impressive.
He does need time to get his ideas over but not looking good so far. We should of carried on with Ross by the looks of things.

Don't blame the supporters for the club's choice of new manager

BIGRON wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:13 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:51 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:43 pm

I've been a critic of Alabi but the bloke scores one and wins a penalty in his last outing and hasn't played since . What exactly do we need him to do .If Fletcher isn't going to play him why bother having him on the bench

He came on again and was his usual embarrassing self.

Did he fook , what game was you watching ? , he may have even done better than the poo poo we had out there today and

The one thing I've never criticised Alabi for is his afford and commitment . We could talk all night about whether he's good enough or not but at least he does give it a go.

BIGRON wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:13 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:51 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:43 pm

I've been a critic of Alabi but the bloke scores one and wins a penalty in his last outing and hasn't played since . What exactly do we need him to do .If Fletcher isn't going to play him why bother having him on the bench

He came on again and was his usual embarrassing self.

Did he fook , what game was you watching ? , he may have even done better than the poo poo we had out there today and

Ha ha.

Yes we were 4-0 down but that miss was as bad as any I’ve ever seen. And that was his sole contribution.

If you genuinely think Alabi is the answer, there’s no helping you.

What's all this "disgrace" talk? Morecambe fought like crazy people and kept it up, we tried to play but we weren't good enough to do it. They can't keep that up and will eventually struggle, we at least have some good players who stand half a chance of getting it organised and staying mid table- ish. Today we walked into the perfect storm and that's why we lost. It worked for Morecambe today but it won't for long. We are a project in development, maybe we'll become a good outfit, maybe we won't but there's no "disgrace" or anything like it.