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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:52 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:23 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:08 am Are Hamas freedom fighters? Yes they are fighting to hold on to their homeland from European colonists.

Are their terrorist methods correct or acceptable? No, but Israel knew that when they encouraged and funded their growth when using them to drive a wedge between the Palestinians and Fatah.

Claiming that Hamas are freedom fighters and then saying that their methods are unacceptable is a strange position to take, given that Hamas's "freedom" is every last Jew killed and no Israel in the Middle East.

And then blaming Israel for Oct 7th.

I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I was reporting a fact. They are freedom fighters who use terrorist methods. Their political ends are unacceptable. I don't support them.

I would like to see a secular socialist Israel where all are equal and the Palestinians have their stolen property restored to them.

SIGH, I thought we had worked our way through this silly propaganda point that Israel are not to blame for anything. The oppression and daily murder of Palestinians by Israel was going on long before 7 Oct.

e15O wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:06 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:52 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:23 pm

Claiming that Hamas are freedom fighters and then saying that their methods are unacceptable is a strange position to take, given that Hamas's "freedom" is every last Jew killed and no Israel in the Middle East.

And then blaming Israel for Oct 7th.

I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I was reporting a fact. They are freedom fighters who use terrorist methods. Their political ends are unacceptable. I don't support them.

I would like to see a secular socialist Israel where all are equal and the Palestinians have their stolen property restored to them.

SIGH, I thought we had worked our way through this silly propaganda point that Israel are not to blame for anything. The oppression and daily murder of Palestinians by Israel was going on long before 7 Oct.

The issue with this is if you were to go down a returning of property or reparations route, there was a far larger number of Jews displaced from the wider Arab world than there were Arabs displaced from Israel, so you would have to carry out the same exercise in reverse for Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria et al, something that I imagine they would be loathe to agree to.

There is also very little likelihood of a secular state in which Arabs are the majority - the geopolitics of the whole region have prevented any secular state from existing time and time again, hence why there is no country in the region that fits this description.

I disagree with Israel’s current military action and the entirety of the settler movement in the West Bank, but the only practical long-term solution is a two-state one and that requires its neighbours to accept a Jewish state there, something they’ve been unwilling to do. Until the Palestinian leadership and the wider Arab nations value a Palestinian state more highly than they value there not being a Jewish state, this isn’t possible.

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:38 pm Officers sacked because they thought Hamas gunmen were in food trucks. So it's just guessing that Israel is doing?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:47 am

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:38 pm Officers sacked because they thought Hamas gunmen were in food trucks. So it's just guessing that Israel is doing?

No. Its part of the genocide blueprint. Killing aid workers causes the organisations providing famine relief to suspend operations so that the people can be starved to death.

Deliberately destroying the health system is part of the same plan.

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:26 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:47 am

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:38 pm Officers sacked because they thought Hamas gunmen were in food trucks. So it's just guessing that Israel is doing?

No. Its part of the genocide blueprint. Killing aid workers causes the organisations providing famine relief to suspend operations so that the people can be starved to death.

Deliberately destroying the health system is part of the same plan.

I Know, it was sarcasm.