Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:57 am
Congrats to the Yella Tory rats - (c) MBG - taking over from the Tory rats.
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Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 am
If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:09 am
Lots of colours going all points of the compass except eastCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 am If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:12 am
East is pretty Blue but yeah, the Reds should clear off there as well except in Ipswich/NorwichType high wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:09 amLots of colours going all points of the compass except eastCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 am If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:21 am
Don't forget the Greens, need to build up the spectrum and the Rainbow Alliance, the Pink Mafia won't be far behindCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:12 amEast is pretty Blue but yeah, the Reds should clear off there as well except in Ipswich/NorwichType high wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:09 amLots of colours going all points of the compass except eastCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 am If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:25 am
When difficult political decisions have to be made the Yella Tory rats always show their true colours and side with the right and cosy up to the Blue Tory rats.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:57 am Congrats to the Yella Tory rats - (c) MBG - taking over from the Tory rats.
They won a by election - Woopy Do let's all rewrite political reality and hug our new friends.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:27 am
So much cope
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:31 am
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:33 am
Middle class tossers
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:39 am
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:42 am
Rattled
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:05 am
Yeah bricking it. I fear an orange revolution as much as the next man.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:10 pm
But putting individual by-elections to one side, isn't some sort of electoral pact about the only way the Tories are ever going to get defeated?
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:36 pm
It's certainly the easiest way as Labour haven't won an election unless the leader was called Tony Blair for over 47 years and are coming off their worst result in 85 years thanks to Corbyn.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:50 pm
Pretty much. But Labour will have to offer the other parties, with the possible exception of the SNP, some concession on electoral reform.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:04 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:36 pm as Labour haven't won an election unless the leader was called Tony Blair for over 47 years
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:12 pm
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:15 pm
I believe at the last election when Corbyn was Leader, Labour came second. Last night they were third, and under Corbyn they got thousands more votes
#JustSaying
#JustSaying
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:16 pm
But if Scotland goes it's own way then Labours chances of an outright victory are diminished even further, so maybe they'd consider it if the current FPTP system was even less likely to work for them going forward.
Even if Labour were dead set against any pacts, it might be worth them having some 'exploratory discussions' about it. The Tories might have to offer some concessions to kill the idea.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:40 pm
Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are already behind-the-scenes talks on this. Part of the problem is that there isn't any real appetite for such change across the electorate. And it will always be positioned by the Tories as a coalition of losers trying to rig the rules. It could backfire spectacularly and even see an increase in votes for the Tories.o-no wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:16 pmBut if Scotland goes it's own way then Labours chances of an outright victory are diminished even further, so maybe they'd consider it if the current FPTP system was even less likely to work for them going forward.
Even if Labour were dead set against any pacts, it might be worth them having some 'exploratory discussions' about it. The Tories might have to offer some concessions to kill the idea.
Labour isn't too keen on PR anyway but, if it was to consider some form of pact, it would have to be very mindful of all of this and try not to spook the voters. They may agree to a deal whereby the Commons remains on FPTP, but have a fully elected upper chamber through PR instead - but with this being implemented over a long timeframe. This could even bring in the likes of Reform UK and some of the other fringe lunatics that occasionally bother the Tories.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:18 pm
I'm not sure, it feels like there isn't a lot for Labour to lose. I'd even suggest a binary Tory/Not Tory choice is ideally suited to your typical voter who regularly displays a disinclination to understand the nuances of policy.
It's lowest common demoninator stuff but I fear that's about where we are.
It's lowest common demoninator stuff but I fear that's about where we are.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:29 pm
It’s great to see the Tories getting the kick in they so thoroughly deserve.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:50 pm
They could (quite easily) do a non-aggresion pact for the election and then not even talk about electoral reformDunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:40 pmPerhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are already behind-the-scenes talks on this. Part of the problem is that there isn't any real appetite for such change across the electorate. And it will always be positioned by the Tories as a coalition of losers trying to rig the rules. It could backfire spectacularly and even see an increase in votes for the Tories.o-no wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:16 pmBut if Scotland goes it's own way then Labours chances of an outright victory are diminished even further, so maybe they'd consider it if the current FPTP system was even less likely to work for them going forward.
Even if Labour were dead set against any pacts, it might be worth them having some 'exploratory discussions' about it. The Tories might have to offer some concessions to kill the idea.
Labour isn't too keen on PR anyway but, if it was to consider some form of pact, it would have to be very mindful of all of this and try not to spook the voters. They may agree to a deal whereby the Commons remains on FPTP, but have a fully elected upper chamber through PR instead - but with this being implemented over a long timeframe. This could even bring in the likes of Reform UK and some of the other fringe lunatics that occasionally bother the Tories.
The subsequent coalition talk, should Labour require coalition partners, would require a form of PR reform though definitely.
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:12 pm
It's a protest vote , nothing more . Boris has got to pull his socks up and fast . He's now been warned .
Re: Lib Dem Watch
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:34 pm
He can't even find his socks, let alone pull them up. He says he "takes full responsibility" for the defeat - but he doesn't. He must have said those words, without meaning them, countless times in his life. He's never taken responsibility for anything, ever.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:12 pm It's a protest vote , nothing more . Boris has got to pull his socks up and fast . He's now been warned .
He's already forgotten the warning.