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There was some outrage recently, when St Greta of Thunberg was photographed with a cuddly toy octopus in the background. Apparently, there's an old anti-Semitic trope depicting Jews as octopi with their tentacles reaching into all aspects of our lives.
Started in Nazi Germany, as a cartoon 1938. All these rubbish claims of it being an innocent coincidence and coping mechanism in Greta’s case is bull as it is rather odd that those depicted seem to be in the same distinctive turquoise colour as the original cartoon. I am not going to post the cartoon on line as I don’t want to replicate it.
I know everyone on UC is a genius but the fact they looked 6 months into the future and brought on their mascot especially to make a point about events that had yet to occur marks them out as truly special guys.
Forgot there’s only been trouble in the region since OctoberProposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:06 pmI know everyone on UC is a genius but the fact they looked 6 months into the future and brought on their mascot especially to make a point about events that had yet to occur marks them out as truly special guys.
THAT'S what they want you to think.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:23 pm
Forgot there’s only been trouble in the region since October
Well I don't remember social media making wild claims that octopi were antisemitic before then so would still be a strange coincidence and an incredible feat of future telling.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:23 pmForgot there’s only been trouble in the region since OctoberProposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:06 pmI know everyone on UC is a genius but the fact they looked 6 months into the future and brought on their mascot especially to make a point about events that had yet to occur marks them out as truly special guys.
I think you're probably right, it's a coincidence, especially since the episode was recorded in March. And I don't think octopuses should be off limits as cuddly toys just because of an antisemitic association, especially in a benign context.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:30 pmWell I don't remember social media making wild claims that octopi were antisemitic before then so would still be a strange coincidence and an incredible feat of future telling.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:23 pmForgot there’s only been trouble in the region since OctoberProposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:06 pm
I know everyone on UC is a genius but the fact they looked 6 months into the future and brought on their mascot especially to make a point about events that had yet to occur marks them out as truly special guys.
faldO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:14 pmI think you're probably right, it's a coincidence, especially since the episode was recorded in March. And I don't think octopuses should be off limits as cuddly toys just because of an antisemitic association, especially in a benign context.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:30 pmWell I don't remember social media making wild claims that octopi were antisemitic before then so would still be a strange coincidence and an incredible feat of future telling.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:23 pm
Forgot there’s only been trouble in the region since October
However, it's not a recent social media invention. The "octopus trope" goes back to 1938, as noted above by Lenny. It is more usually depicted as tentacles grabbing or smothering something, like the globe in its original 1938 incarnation, which was meant to signify a Jewish conspiracy to control the world.
She's wearing a coat sold in Zara. Are they jewhaters now too?Daily Express bot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:34 pmfaldO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:14 pmI think you're probably right, it's a coincidence, especially since the episode was recorded in March. And I don't think octopuses should be off limits as cuddly toys just because of an antisemitic association, especially in a benign context.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:30 pm
Well I don't remember social media making wild claims that octopi were antisemitic before then so would still be a strange coincidence and an incredible feat of future telling.
However, it's not a recent social media invention. The "octopus trope" goes back to 1938, as noted above by Lenny. It is more usually depicted as tentacles grabbing or smothering something, like the globe in its original 1938 incarnation, which was meant to signify a Jewish conspiracy to control the world.
You noticed the lady student in the University Challenge picture above is wearing Palestinian flag colours?
Yes, but if you look at this article: https://deadline.com/2023/11/university ... 235630887/ you can see where the jacket is advertised and I think it's a stretch to says it's in the Palestinian flag colours. It's similar, but not the same.Daily Express bot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:34 pm You noticed the lady student in the University Challenge picture above is wearing Palestinian flag colours?
She should indeed have had the sense and foresight to avoid using the symbol 5 months before Greta had one in a photo.CEB wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:39 pm My take is that Greta is highly unlikely to have done it to signal allegiance to antisemitic conspiracy theories, but that once things take on a symbolic meaning - even if that meaning is initially based on wrongheaded leaps - future instances by others are less likely to be innocent.
Just as the weird white supremacy hand gesture thing eventually became about arseholes smugly being like “lol triggered by a hand gesture!!”, after something enters the public consciousness, adoption of loaded imagery by design occupies an area of plausible deniability, and so it starts to become incumbent on people to avoid using the symbols in question if they want to make it unambiguous that they are not signalling a belief
