Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:20 pm
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Unfortunately, unless Boris went to the hospital with a machine gun and finished off every infected patient, he’d still be deemed as doing a good job by most of the public.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:02 am https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21P1VF
Quite long but worth a read. Have tried to reserve judgment as much as possible on the approach we've taken, but if we're still a week off from the peak, then we're looking at a seriously grim outcome, possibly the worst in Europe. Given that we had all that extra time to prepare, that does seem unforgivable. You wonder when the breaking point with the public will be if the Tories are seen to have thoroughly bungled things.
I look forward to the numbers going down because they change the way we count, to make them look better.West Side Story wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:42 am Yesterdays announced daily death toll was higher than any daily death toll in Italy or Spain. Looks like the UK Government has really screwed up. The only redeeming factor, is that our NHS ( not a Tory organisation) has held up well and provided enough beds. Shame the Government has fell well short on protective equipment. The Beeb really laying in to them this morning. Also a strangely high death rate amongst medical staff from foreign climes.
The 'daily death toll' is actually a deaths reported toll that is a figure that is made up of deaths that occurred over the past week or longer.West Side Story wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:42 am Yesterdays announced daily death toll was higher than any daily death toll in Italy or Spain. Looks like the UK Government has really screwed up. The only redeeming factor, is that our NHS ( not a Tory organisation) has held up well and provided enough beds. Shame the Government has fell well short on protective equipment. The Beeb really laying in to them this morning. Also a strangely high death rate amongst medical staff from foreign climes.
There isn’t a breaking point.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:02 am https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21P1VF
Quite long but worth a read. Have tried to reserve judgment as much as possible on the approach we've taken, but if we're still a week off from the peak, then we're looking at a seriously grim outcome, possibly the worst in Europe. Given that we had all that extra time to prepare, that does seem unforgivable. You wonder when the breaking point with the public will be if the Tories are seen to have thoroughly bungled things.
29% of doctors and 18% of nurses (figures from ONS) are non- British nationals. Of the rest, an unknown number of the British nationals would have been born overseas. I would assume that a lot of these are also concentrated in the large cities, where the virus has been most prevalent. So not such a surprise.West Side Story wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:42 am Also a strangely high death rate amongst medical staff from foreign climes.
What data and advice are you questioning?Thor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:40 am The scientists need seriously questioning when this is over, along with the modellers at imperial college. The government have based their approach on the scientific advice, this from that report and what we are seeing or hearing is proving that it is inadequate. The government by that very basis has serious questions to answer as well, why didn’t they challenge the Advice? Why wasn’t more emphasis placed on other data from other countries such as Italy for example where the number of cases were rocketing?
When this is over the mother of all enquires will be opened, how quickly we will get an answer or how transparent it will be can only be imagined right now.
The medical advisers are already being lined up to take the fall for this. Every time you see Hancock or Boris on the tele, they state they’re only following the advice of the experts.Thor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:40 am The scientists need seriously questioning when this is over, along with the modellers at imperial college. The government have based their approach on the scientific advice, this from that report and what we are seeing or hearing is proving that it is inadequate. The government by that very basis has serious questions to answer as well, why didn’t they challenge the Advice? Why wasn’t more emphasis placed on other data from other countries such as Italy for example where the number of cases were rocketing?
When this is over the mother of all enquires will be opened, how quickly we will get an answer or how transparent it will be can only be imagined right now.
Yes, to question the opinions of experts in their fields yet believe the buffoons with no qualifications to be a politician.RedO wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:57 amThe medical advisers are already being lined up to take the fall for this. Every time you see Hancock or Boris on the tele, they state they’re only following the advice of the experts.Thor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:40 am The scientists need seriously questioning when this is over, along with the modellers at imperial college. The government have based their approach on the scientific advice, this from that report and what we are seeing or hearing is proving that it is inadequate. The government by that very basis has serious questions to answer as well, why didn’t they challenge the Advice? Why wasn’t more emphasis placed on other data from other countries such as Italy for example where the number of cases were rocketing?
When this is over the mother of all enquires will be opened, how quickly we will get an answer or how transparent it will be can only be imagined right now.
Not surprised to see buffoons falling for this line.
Hurrah! You've already told us you'll be marching to Downing Street to demand answers and now this. What a guy!!!Thor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:40 am The scientists need seriously questioning when this is over, along with the modellers at imperial college. The government have based their approach on the scientific advice, this from that report and what we are seeing or hearing is proving that it is inadequate. The government by that very basis has serious questions to answer as well, why didn’t they challenge the Advice? Why wasn’t more emphasis placed on other data from other countries such as Italy for example where the number of cases were rocketing?
When this is over the mother of all enquires will be opened, how quickly we will get an answer or how transparent it will be can only be imagined right now.
Yup - not their call to make - that's what this government was meant to do.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:33 am The *scientific committees* thought that the British public would not accept a China style lockdown.
It's not their call but seems like they didn't even advise it. They didn't set the threat level to high til mid march either.BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:51 amYup - not their call to make - that's what this government was meant to do.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:33 am The *scientific committees* thought that the British public would not accept a China style lockdown.
Thanks for linking this article - very interesting.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:02 am https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21P1VF
Quite long but worth a read. Have tried to reserve judgment as much as possible on the approach we've taken, but if we're still a week off from the peak, then we're looking at a seriously grim outcome, possibly the worst in Europe. Given that we had all that extra time to prepare, that does seem unforgivable. You wonder when the breaking point with the public will be if the Tories are seen to have thoroughly bungled things.
