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RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:56 pm Whilst I shouldn’t be surprised, seeing as I’ve suspected as much these 4/5 years, it’s still shocking and disgusting seeing it all laid out like this.

Genuinely don’t know where we - the left of centre, supporters of the working class - go from here...

Accountants- famous supporters of the working class.

Seems this thread has been hijacked by Tory supporters desperate to halt the march of I-Keir into #10.

Sad.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:02 pm Seems this thread has been hijacked by Tory supporters desperate to halt the march of I-Keir into #10.

Sad.

Not even funny at the moment, way too soon.

Sir Kier can’t be allowed to sweep this under the carpet.

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:09 pm I also find it somewhat odd that there isn't the slightest hint of this being reported by the BBC or SKY. Nothing from Kuensberg at all. Its all very strange.

I was surprised about that too, it's not like there's anything else going on right now.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:56 pm Genuinely don’t know where we - the left of centre, supporters of the working class - go from here...

So, you're a supporter, not a member, of the working class?

He's revealed himself comrades! Up against the wall.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:21 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:56 pm Genuinely don’t know where we - the left of centre, supporters of the working class - go from here...

So, you're a supporter, not a member, of the working class?

He's revealed himself comrades! Up against the wall.

I haven’t ‘worked’ since around 1999/2000.

faldO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:02 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:09 pm I also find it somewhat odd that there isn't the slightest hint of this being reported by the BBC or SKY. Nothing from Kuensberg at all. Its all very strange.

I was surprised about that too, it's not like there's anything else going on right now.

I’m not sure but I believe media establishments are able to report on more than one issue at a time.

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:54 am

faldO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:02 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:09 pm I also find it somewhat odd that there isn't the slightest hint of this being reported by the BBC or SKY. Nothing from Kuensberg at all. Its all very strange.

I was surprised about that too, it's not like there's anything else going on right now.

I’m not sure but I believe media establishments are able to report on more than one issue at a time.

Yeah but reporting on Labour's self flagellation is like reporting on the sun rising

Owen has the report too

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:21 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:56 pm Genuinely don’t know where we - the left of centre, supporters of the working class - go from here...

So, you're a supporter, not a member, of the working class?

He's revealed himself comrades! Up against the wall.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:56 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:02 pm Seems this thread has been hijacked by Tory supporters desperate to halt the march of I-Keir into #10.

Sad.

Not even funny at the moment, way too soon.

Sir Kier can’t be allowed to sweep this under the carpet.

You mean in the same way Corbyn and McDonnell swept anything right of Marxism under the carpet?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:34 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:56 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:02 pm Seems this thread has been hijacked by Tory supporters desperate to halt the march of I-Keir into #10.

Sad.

Not even funny at the moment, way too soon.

Sir Kier can’t be allowed to sweep this under the carpet.

You mean in the same way Corbyn and McDonnell swept anything right of Marxism under the carpet?

Seriously mate.

We were a couple of thousand votes away from a Labour government in 2017. If it wasn’t for these c*nts, we would have got there.

Imagine how different things would be right now if that were the case. These c*nts have blood on their hands.

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:41 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:34 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:56 pm

Not even funny at the moment, way too soon.

Sir Kier can’t be allowed to sweep this under the carpet.

You mean in the same way Corbyn and McDonnell swept anything right of Marxism under the carpet?

Seriously mate.

We were a couple of thousand votes away from a Labour government in 2017. If it wasn’t for these c*nts, we would have got there.

Imagine how different things would be right now if that were the case. These c*nts have blood on their hands.

Mate, you are totally right with that last point, but 2017 was then and 2019 a million miles from ‘a couple of thousand votes’.

Yes, things would be hugely different and even the most fervent Tory supporter must know that now.

Do you think the plotting and back stabbing from the right wing of the party stopped in 2017?

These people would rather have a Tory government than a truly socialist Labour government. That’s sickening.

Hang on, is the narrative now that, however good or bad you think the Tories are handling this, Labour would have done better?

Obviously we'll never know for sure but, judging by the shambolic way they mismanaged their own election campaign, where does the confidence behind this assertion come from? And "good intentions" does not equal good outcome.

Shadow Health Sec Ashworth was probably one of only a few competent ones in the Shadow Cabinet.

Probably why the cranks hate him

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:55 am Do you think the plotting and back stabbing from the right wing of the party stopped in 2017?

These people would rather have a Tory government than a truly socialist Labour government. That’s sickening.

Seriously?

Who knows.

But I’m guessing Jezza wouldn’t have spent February sunning himself on a billionaires island instead of prepping for this.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:08 am

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:55 am Do you think the plotting and back stabbing from the right wing of the party stopped in 2017?

These people would rather have a Tory government than a truly socialist Labour government. That’s sickening.

Seriously?

Yes, seriously. There’s been a leaked report which evidences this, ill see if I can find the link for you.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:08 am Who knows.

But I’m guessing Jezza wouldn’t have spent February sunning himself on a billionaires island instead of prepping for this.

Correct.

Or shaking hands with Corona patients and boasting about it.

Or visiting his mum on Mother’s Day.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:11 am Or visiting his mum on Mother’s Day.

Or being a prize c*nt.

"They have an unshakeable belief that it's their party to run as they please, ignoring or subverting the democratic wishes of the members"

I thought you were talking about Momentum there.

Mikero

Yeah, yeah , yeah... we get all that. Boris is bad. (I get a sense that Kier is bidding his time for now, but once the moment is right will make political capital out of any mishandling by the Tories.)

But, aside from not strutting on a beach in his speedos, what is it that gives anyone confidence that a Jezza-led government would have cracked the secret recipe for the perfect long-term strategy for dealing with the global pandemic?

"These people would rather have a Tory government than a truly socialist Labour government. That’s sickening. "

I think they would rather have a socialist party that is electable than a 'truly' socalist party that isn't.

Mikero