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Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:25 am

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:13 am Not debating the point again here but he's consistent in believing that October 7th didn't happen in a vacuum and - while not comparing the two events - it's absolutely mad to not apply the same logic here.

Quite.

He's right that the October 7th attacks didn't happen in a vacuum. And he's right to point out Israel's role in that (and the tacit support from its allies). However, he always leaves out or diminishes Iran's (and its proxies') role in the wider situation too. This presents an incomplete picture of the region's geopolitics which will never benefit the innocent civilian victims, but only the perpetrators on one side or the other.

Always bloody Iran with you, isn't it? Why don't you just marry it?

"Dunnem, why haven't you put the bins out? I asked you to do it last night!"

"Well, I think you're overlooking Iran's role in this to be honest"

I'm giving China the month off.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:35 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:57 pm Is this.... is this a pogrom?

Proper stomach churning

See, all you needed was a reminder.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:24 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:35 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:57 pm Is this.... is this a pogrom?

Proper stomach churning

See, all you needed was a reminder.

Eh?

I don't understand that comment either but, on the face of it, it whiffs big time. Happy to be corrected if explained further.

Just remarking that the Rich Tea alias had been remembered rather than one of his more tedious ones.

Nothing more contentious than that.

Ah, you’re one of the simpletons who actually believes the joke that there are only about three posters here and we all have multiple usernames for no reason whatsoever

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:26 am Ah, you’re one of the simpletons who actually believes the joke that there are only about three posters here and we all have multiple usernames for no reason whatsoever

Hehe - as many as 3

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:23 am Just remarking that the Rich Tea alias had been remembered rather than one of his more tedious ones.

Nothing more contentious than that.

RTW isn't an alias.

Not an alias but still don’t really get the comment.

Either way, I’m angry at this whole situation. Conflation of anti semitism and anti Zionism has knock on effects. When you convince people they are same thing you have to deal with the consequences of innocent Jews being targeted, abused and potentially worse. Not to say the morons in the video are excused in any way.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:44 am I'm giving China the month off.

You also forgot to mention that you have staff to put the bins out.

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:41 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:23 am Just remarking that the Rich Tea alias had been remembered rather than one of his more tedious ones.

Nothing more contentious than that.

RTW isn't an alias.

Oh OK - so it’s his other accounts that are aliases then

Havent watched the actual videos but seems like something from Borat.

Always a winner and it’s usually the rich https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -hamas-war

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:59 am Havent watched the actual videos but seems like something from Borat.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:41 am Not an alias but still don’t really get the comment.

Either way, I’m angry at this whole situation. Conflation of anti semitism and anti Zionism has knock on effects. When you convince people they are same thing you have to deal with the consequences of innocent Jews being targeted, abused and potentially worse. Not to say the morons in the video are excused in any way.

One of the most stupid things ever been written on here. Jews are the only minority who have their definitions of racism questioned, why is that? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:41 am Not an alias but still don’t really get the comment.

Either way, I’m angry at this whole situation. Conflation of anti semitism and anti Zionism has knock on effects. When you convince people they are same thing you have to deal with the consequences of innocent Jews being targeted, abused and potentially worse. Not to say the morons in the video are excused in any way.

Could equally say that the way Israel is held up as an exception as uniquely awful to Muslims, when countries like China, Morocco, Syria and Myanmar all commit equal if not worse atrocities to their Muslim populations, lends itself to a narrative that Israel is super anti Muslim.

Any country, in itself isnt anti muslim or anti semitic, its whichever government is in power at a specified time.

At the moment, Israel is being run by psychopaths...ultra right wing zionist/nationalists, at least one of whom has spent time in jail for anti muslim terrorist offences.
Only when more moderate men and women are in charge will the hate on all sides extinguish a little, and peace can be achieved

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:08 pm Any country, in itself isnt anti muslim or anti semitic, its whichever government is in power at a specified time.

At the moment, Israel is being run by psychopaths...ultra right wing zionist/nationalists, at least one of whom has spent time in jail for anti muslim terrorist offences.
Only when more moderate men and women are in charge will the hate on all sides extinguish a little, and peace can be achieved

Well thank God that Hamas are such upright people. Anyway, Isreal’s government is an emergency coalition government. Left and right wing are working together because they both feel their country is on the line . I thought at the time Hamas have really done it this time . I reckon Gaza will now get flattened . If Hamas hadn’t decided to paraglide across the border to commit such atrocities, imagine how many people could have still been alive today. Hamas are 100% responsible for this latest conflict and now a lot of innocent people are going to suffer thanks to them .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:13 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:08 pm Any country, in itself isnt anti muslim or anti semitic, its whichever government is in power at a specified time.

At the moment, Israel is being run by psychopaths...ultra right wing zionist/nationalists, at least one of whom has spent time in jail for anti muslim terrorist offences.
Only when more moderate men and women are in charge will the hate on all sides extinguish a little, and peace can be achieved

We’ll thank God that Hamas are such upright people. Anyway, Isreal’s government is an emergency coalition government. Left and right wing are working together because they both feel their country is on the line .

There is no left wing anywhere near the government in Israel, and hasnt for 40 years

Well that’s not what the report I listened to said.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:40 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:41 am Not an alias but still don’t really get the comment.

Either way, I’m angry at this whole situation. Conflation of anti semitism and anti Zionism has knock on effects. When you convince people they are same thing you have to deal with the consequences of innocent Jews being targeted, abused and potentially worse. Not to say the morons in the video are excused in any way.

One of the most stupid things ever been written on here. Jews are the only minority who have their definitions of racism questioned, why is that? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Cheers for telling a Jew what I deem as anti-Semitic though.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:21 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:40 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:41 am Not an alias but still don’t really get the comment.

Either way, I’m angry at this whole situation. Conflation of anti semitism and anti Zionism has knock on effects. When you convince people they are same thing you have to deal with the consequences of innocent Jews being targeted, abused and potentially worse. Not to say the morons in the video are excused in any way.

One of the most stupid things ever been written on here. Jews are the only minority who have their definitions of racism questioned, why is that? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Cheers for telling a Jew what I deem as anti-Semitic though.

That isn’t what I said. Answer the question. Why do Jewish people get questioned on definitions but no other minority are?

Wary of getting drawn in to this but Muslims get told that Islamophobia isn't racism all the time so I not sure that's necessarily true.

I am quite surprised that a dozen or so Orient fans haven't sorted this Diabolical War.