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Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:41 pm**

And yet if you called me a violent rapist, I’d sue you for all you have and win. But I can call Mason Greenwood one, because it’s a belief based on an undisputed transcript of his words.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:43 pm**

I suppose it would be a bit silly of me to point out that his partner (and alleged victim) choosing to withdraw her evidence (despite her initially publishing said evidence to all and sundry) is the reason why he's not been charged / tried / convicted of rape?

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:44 pm**

I’d assumed it went without saying, but it seems that it does need saying.
It’s a damning indictment of what money and power can do when leveraged

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:45 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:39 pm
Admin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:34 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:22 pm Lynch mob mentality is alive and well

A so called victim is being punished and hurt by the lynch mob and her decision to remain with Greenwood and raise a child with him is being harmed by the lynch mob who are determined to stop her partner from earning a living to support them.

Incredible that people want to undermine the choices made by an alleged victim and to cause her and her family harm because the lynch mob do not like her choice
Given your previous on Epstien, the above comes as no surprise.

My comments on Epstein were true.

Greenwood has no more convictions for sexual offences or domestic violence than you or anyone on this forum

Do you think Greenwood is a rapist based on the evidence put forward by his partner?

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:49 pm**

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:44 pm I’d assumed it went without saying, but it seems that it does need saying.
It’s a damning indictment of what money and power can do when leveraged

It did go without saying until Spen turned up.

Then again we should all know better and not engage with the legal eagle fanny.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:51 pm**

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:41 pm And yet if you called me a violent rapist, I’d sue you for all you have and win. But I can call Mason Greenwood one, because it’s a belief based on an undisputed transcript of his words.

Yes. We get that you don’t like him.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:54 pm**

Beradogs - finally sticks his neck out for a black person, when it gives him a chance to be casually dismissive of a group he likes even less; women

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:56 pm**

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:45 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:39 pm
Admin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:34 pm

Given your previous on Epstien, the above comes as no surprise.

My comments on Epstein were true.

Greenwood has no more convictions for sexual offences or domestic violence than you or anyone on this forum
Do you think Greenwood is a rapist based on the evidence put forward by his partner?

there was insufficient admissible evidence to justify a realistic prospect of a conviction.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:58 pm**

Spen beclowning himself, dying on the hill of the right of men to rape their partners then leverage their power over them to get them to shut the f up.

Classy

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:59 pm**

Then leverage their money over them to get them to shut the f up.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:01 pm**

Yes those evil, money grabbing rape victims!!

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:13 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:56 pm
Admin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:45 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:39 pm

My comments on Epstein were true.

Greenwood has no more convictions for sexual offences or domestic violence than you or anyone on this forum
Do you think Greenwood is a rapist based on the evidence put forward by his partner?
there was insufficient admissible evidence to justify a realistic prospect of a conviction.

Thanks Wumpole but that wasn't what I asked was it?

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:48 pm**

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:24 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:13 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:12 pm
And the woman lived happily ever after with her abusive partner.

Really depressing shes stayed with him.
Only they know what happens behind closed doors.
Thanks to what she posted, we all now know.

She provided the full details of those incidents to the police and subsequently, United in their internal investigation. You aren’t privvy to that evidence.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:03 pm**

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:20 pm Sigh.
1: I’ve just shown you what my defence against a charge of libel would be. I called him an abusive violent rapist on the basis that there is a recording of him being abusive, threatening to rape a woman.
Woah, wonder if my defence would be successful?

2: I don’t care whether you believe me or not, but both those players were discussed at length on the orient board at the time, and I regularly participated on such threads, and did so condemning in strong terms anyone supporting the idea of them joining orient, and any club looking hire a cheap talent. I challenge you to find those threads, if you can’t, then I guess I’ll somehow have to live with the idea that a scummy rape apologist is casting doubt on the idea that I would have behaved in alignment with my typical views that I’ve held and expressed on these boards for 22 years…

On the basis of an edited clip and of which the full clip absolves him of wrong doing by information released today.

What about Jon Flanagan? He was allowed to continue his career after pleading guilty to assaulting his girlfriend and was convicted for it. Marcos Alonso was responsible for the death of a young woman after drink driving and was convicted of it, carried on his career. Marlon King was convicted of sexual assault among many other offences, but carried on his career.

Why now is Greenwood being hounded out of football and everyone claiming some moral high ground? Double standards.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:11 pm**

For useful context, Biggsy is a Utd fan. Dunno what Spens excuse is.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:12 pm**

Did Utd pay up Greenwoods contract btw?

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:13 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:11 pm For useful context, Biggsy is a Utd fan. Dunno what Spens excuse is.

I also didn’t particularly want him playing for United again

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:15 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:12 pm Did Utd pay up Greenwoods contract btw?

Not been disclosed yet. There’a a duty of care because he’s been at the club since he was 7, I assume he’ll be paid off so he can move on.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:22 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:13 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:11 pm For useful context, Biggsy is a Utd fan. Dunno what Spens excuse is.
I also didn’t particularly want him playing for United again

why not?

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:28 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:22 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:13 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:11 pm For useful context, Biggsy is a Utd fan. Dunno what Spens excuse is.
I also didn’t particularly want him playing for United again
why not?

My initial reaction to the social media posts and it would have over shadowed and used against United in every game they play in the future. Just isn’t worth the aggro.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:53 pm**

Feel sorry for United here. It's the only option as a huge commercial brand they could do, but someone else will take him on and they'll have a 100 mil player for free

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:58 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:48 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:24 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:13 pm
Only they know what happens behind closed doors.
Thanks to what she posted, we all now know.
She provided the full details of those incidents to the police and subsequently, United in their internal investigation. You aren’t privvy to that evidence.

So the full details just happen to be secret? Care to speculate what detail could possibly exonerate Greenwood?

I expect she just chose to try and save their relationship and/or lifestyle. I think he should have been prosecuted even without her support as he's a danger. At least we all know what he is.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:12 pm**

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:58 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:48 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Thanks to what she posted, we all now know.
She provided the full details of those incidents to the police and subsequently, United in their internal investigation. You aren’t privvy to that evidence.
So the full details just happen to be secret? Care to speculate what detail could possibly exonerate Greenwood?

I expect she just chose to try and save their relationship and/or lifestyle. I think he should have been prosecuted even without her support as he's a danger. At least we all know what he is.

If you haven’t bothered to read any of the statements today, then I don’t know what to tell you. The full details of the audio/video clips were provided and prove Greenwood didn’t do what he was charged with.

His partner has a right to anonimity and its quite remarkable how many people are ignoring that and want to carry on.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:13 pm**

Prove it.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:16 pm**

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:13 pm Prove it.

I don’t need to. Information and context was provided today and that’s the most anyone will get. You either believe the girl or you don’t. Or is it a case of ‘believing the victim’ until it doesn’t suit your narrative?

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