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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:22 am

Hugo Ball Boy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 am I listened lbc today that the government bought millions more Covid dose to administer to save the nhs and prorate to old people from infections. Despite what they say negative Boris is positive and will be held up high. Also Kier Starmer support?

They have bought millions of doses for the.next 2 winters .
No different to buying the flu jab ,in advance

This isnt positive action by Tories .
This is Medical action paid for by the govt .

Forward planning is vital and to buy at the price today is prudent because should the price increase then we have made savings for the nhs that can be adjusted snd diverted to other demands?

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Hugo Ball Boy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:22 am

Hugo Ball Boy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 am I listened lbc today that the government bought millions more Covid dose to administer to save the nhs and prorate to old people from infections. Despite what they say negative Boris is positive and will be held up high. Also Kier Starmer support?

They have bought millions of doses for the.next 2 winters .
No different to buying the flu jab ,in advance

This isnt positive action by Tories .
This is Medical action paid for by the govt .

Forward planning is vital and to buy at the price today is prudent because should the price increase then we have made savings for the nhs that can be adjusted snd diverted to other demands?

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Forward planning is acting on someone else's advice to government .
After 145,000 deaths from Covid it is about time they took advice seriously !

Paddy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:04 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:48 am Posting unproven anti-vax stuff

myocarditis as a side effect of Covid until early this year (when people started getting it as a result of the vaccine

You trying to say Myocarditis is not proven to be a side effect of the vaccine?

And again “careful” of what? You going to ban me for having a different opinion to yours?

How is Myocardia a side effect of medicine ?

Like it never existed before covid vaccines .

An Idiotic statement by you!

Hugo Ball Boy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:22 am

Hugo Ball Boy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 am I listened lbc today that the government bought millions more Covid dose to administer to save the nhs and prorate to old people from infections. Despite what they say negative Boris is positive and will be held up high. Also Kier Starmer support?

They have bought millions of doses for the.next 2 winters .
No different to buying the flu jab ,in advance

This isnt positive action by Tories .
This is Medical action paid for by the govt .

Forward planning is vital and to buy at the price today is prudent because should the price increase then we have made savings for the nhs that can be adjusted snd diverted to other demands?

It’s quite cute that you think that the government are trying to save the taxpayer money Bless

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:02 pm

Paddy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:04 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:48 am Posting unproven anti-vax stuff

You trying to say Myocarditis is not proven to be a side effect of the vaccine?

And again “careful” of what? You going to ban me for having a different opinion to yours?

How is Myocardia a side effect of medicine ?

Like it never existed before covid vaccines .

An Idiotic statement by you!

I would say its a very rare side effect if indeed there is a link.

Now that we've done myocardials can we please move on to discuss the Covid vaccine causing a Myasthenia Gravis crisis. Cheers.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:05 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:02 pm

Paddy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:04 pm

You trying to say Myocarditis is not proven to be a side effect of the vaccine?

And again “careful” of what? You going to ban me for having a different opinion to yours?

How is Myocardia a side effect of medicine ?

Like it never existed before covid vaccines .

An Idiotic statement by you!

I would say its a very rare side effect if indeed there is a link.

Evidence please?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:05 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:02 pm

Paddy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:04 pm

You trying to say Myocarditis is not proven to be a side effect of the vaccine?

And again “careful” of what? You going to ban me for having a different opinion to yours?

How is Myocardia a side effect of medicine ?

Like it never existed before covid vaccines .

An Idiotic statement by you!

I would say its a very rare side effect if indeed there is a link.

A side effect of a vaccine may lead to Myocardia ,
But Myocardia is NOT a side effect of any Vaccine .

The English language allows us to specifically show
A sentence maybe very similar to another
But it is quite clear that they are very different sentences

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_effect

In medicine, a side effect is an effect, whether therapeutic or adverse, that is secondary to the one intended; although the term is predominantly employed to describe adverse effects, it can also apply to beneficial, but unintended, consequences of the use of a drug.
With very different meanings .

Thank you for that Dr Tuffticles Zhivago MD.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:30 pm Thank you for that Dr Tuffticles Zhivago MD.

I cant help it if i know this sh*t .
My old man had 5 Heart attacks
From the age of 42 -55
He suffered cardiac arrest & was.also diagnosed
with Cardiomyopathy
So from the age of 10 ive known this stuff .

If you dont like the fact i know some weird stuff
Try to deal with it a little better . It wasnt easy as a 10 year old kid
Watching someone get continually sicker because of heart disease .

Anyway lets move along shall we

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:48 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:30 pm Thank you for that Dr Tuffticles Zhivago MD.

I cant help it if i know this sh*t .
My old man had 5 Heart attacks
From the age of 42 -55
He suffered cardiac arrest & was.also diagnosed
with Cardiomyopathy
So from the age of 10 ive known this stuff .

If you dont like the fact i know some weird stuff
Try to deal with it a little better . It wasnt easy as a 10 year old kid
Watching someone get continually sicker because of heart disease .

Anyway lets move along shall we

My dad had his first heart attack at 39. Developed congestive heart failure in the last 4 years of his life and died at 73 two days before my 50th birthday. We've all got hard luck stories Tufts.

Masks vaccine 2 years ago prototype and improve with design and experience like prototype electric cars from milk delivery small van now Tesla

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:48 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:30 pm Thank you for that Dr Tuffticles Zhivago MD.

I cant help it if i know this sh*t .
My old man had 5 Heart attacks
From the age of 42 -55
He suffered cardiac arrest & was.also diagnosed
with Cardiomyopathy
So from the age of 10 ive known this stuff .

If you dont like the fact i know some weird stuff
Try to deal with it a little better . It wasnt easy as a 10 year old kid
Watching someone get continually sicker because of heart disease .

Anyway lets move along shall we

My dad had his first heart attack at 39. Developed congestive heart failure in the last 4 years of his life and died at 73 two days before my 50th birthday. We've all got hard luck stories Tufts.

My dad died 3 years before I was even born from acute angina, so you lot don’t know nothing.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:48 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:30 pm Thank you for that Dr Tuffticles Zhivago MD.

I cant help it if i know this sh*t .
My old man had 5 Heart attacks
From the age of 42 -55
He suffered cardiac arrest & was.also diagnosed
with Cardiomyopathy
So from the age of 10 ive known this stuff .

If you dont like the fact i know some weird stuff
Try to deal with it a little better . It wasnt easy as a 10 year old kid
Watching someone get continually sicker because of heart disease .

Anyway lets move along shall we

My dad had his first heart attack at 39. Developed congestive heart failure in the last 4 years of his life and died at 73 two days before my 50th birthday. We've all got hard luck stories Tufts.

Its not about hard luck stories Maxy
Its about knowledge & didnt deserve the wisecrack !

Anyway im moving on from it now

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:21 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:48 pm

I cant help it if i know this sh*t .
My old man had 5 Heart attacks
From the age of 42 -55
He suffered cardiac arrest & was.also diagnosed
with Cardiomyopathy
So from the age of 10 ive known this stuff .

If you dont like the fact i know some weird stuff
Try to deal with it a little better . It wasnt easy as a 10 year old kid
Watching someone get continually sicker because of heart disease .

Anyway lets move along shall we

My dad had his first heart attack at 39. Developed congestive heart failure in the last 4 years of his life and died at 73 two days before my 50th birthday. We've all got hard luck stories Tufts.

Its not about hard luck stories Maxy
Its about knowledge & didnt deserve the wisecrack !

Anyway im moving on from it now

My friend this is not about who father die first or the most painful way. You are an intelligent guy, I been reading all your things you place here and you have great knowledge and wise person and we can learn a lot from people like you. The skills of the scientist must not be wasted on the fears irrational of a few individuals and I say stay your position but be open and let those who obtain information from those who irrationally think waste their health position. When we are inured or sick we go to the surgery and confide in the doctor to heal us and place his hands on us to examine us and sometimes protrude in our body and trust them to be honourable, ears mouth eyes and down the private places do we make conspiring suggestions to him not to touch us or refuse to eat the medicines he prescribed us no we do not so the vaccine is the new tablet and we must trustin the doctor and our faith and our god to judge where we is our destiny. Ignore the disbelievers, they will be in trouble if they get it bad as the government and newspapers are always saying for 2 years.

If there was one thing everyone should learn it's that correlation does not equal causation

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:01 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:48 pm

I cant help it if i know this sh*t .
My old man had 5 Heart attacks
From the age of 42 -55
He suffered cardiac arrest & was.also diagnosed
with Cardiomyopathy
So from the age of 10 ive known this stuff .

If you dont like the fact i know some weird stuff
Try to deal with it a little better . It wasnt easy as a 10 year old kid
Watching someone get continually sicker because of heart disease .

Anyway lets move along shall we

My dad had his first heart attack at 39. Developed congestive heart failure in the last 4 years of his life and died at 73 two days before my 50th birthday. We've all got hard luck stories Tufts.

My dad died 3 years before I was even born from acute angina, so you lot don’t know nothing.

HeH are you sure? that's one hell of a long pregnancy

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:58 pm I have had both first & second doses and this week the booster - Only a fool would think the vaccines haven't saved lives. I have had no reaction to the two AZ jabs or the Moderna booster this week.

On the flip side, I have previously posted on here that my wife had her first AZ jab in Spring and she had a seriously bad reaction almost straight after, bad enough to need an ambulance and medical attention. She has had relentless pins & needles in her hands and feet everyday since along with a headache that simply doesnt go away -six months now of constant dibilitating side affects. She has had so many tests and x-rays and hospital visits since it first started and still they can't see whats causing it, tbf she isnt one to complain but I can see it's affecting her quality of life. She's just been reffered to a nuerologist we are just hoping he can help her.

Jesus, that sounds pretty grim. Are the medics sure that it’s related to the vaccine? I’ve not heard of any side effects like that before. I hope they get to the cause of it soon, whatever it is.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:58 pm I have had both first & second doses and this week the booster - Only a fool would think the vaccines haven't saved lives. I have had no reaction to the two AZ jabs or the Moderna booster this week.

On the flip side, I have previously posted on here that my wife had her first AZ jab in Spring and she had a seriously bad reaction almost straight after, bad enough to need an ambulance and medical attention. She has had relentless pins & needles in her hands and feet everyday since along with a headache that simply doesnt go away -six months now of constant dibilitating side affects. She has had so many tests and x-rays and hospital visits since it first started and still they can't see whats causing it, tbf she isnt one to complain but I can see it's affecting her quality of life. She's just been reffered to a nuerologist we are just hoping he can help her.

It sounds Horrendous TOT JES .
Hope it all manages to sort itself out or they find the cause .

Im not convinced by all the so called "science". I think its a personal choice, no one is making people not get vacinated.
Did you know you are exempt from wearing a mask if you are having a (non alcoholic) drink on the TFL network plus you are not ment to question as people have hidden diabilities and don't need to prove it every second of the day.

KVN wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:49 pm Im not convinced by all the so called "science". I think its a personal choice, no one is making people not get vacinated.
Did you know you are exempt from wearing a mask if you are having a (non alcoholic) drink on the TFL network plus you are not ment to question as people have hidden diabilities and don't need to prove it every second of the day.

Do not believe the antivscimst stion conspiracy theorists.Even now today people talking on the LBC saying nonsense again. That man OBrien clever but encourages crazy speculations. Today my friend even sends me email saying nonsense like farm fish responsible for mutant. I cursed him to his face and told him do not spread this idiocy to me. Trust your doctor and your nhs my wife works there a d I trust her to keep me informed.

Im not convinced you two are people i haven't banned before.

Half the people with Omicron in Britain have been double vaccinated.
Scary stuff
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/b ... n-25612265

Hugo Ball Boy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:39 pm

KVN wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:49 pm Im not convinced by all the so called "science". I think its a personal choice, no one is making people not get vacinated.
Did you know you are exempt from wearing a mask if you are having a (non alcoholic) drink on the TFL network plus you are not ment to question as people have hidden diabilities and don't need to prove it every second of the day.

Do not believe the antivscimst stion conspiracy theorists.Even now today people talking on the LBC saying nonsense again. That man OBrien clever but encourages crazy speculations. Today my friend even sends me email saying nonsense like farm fish responsible for mutant. I cursed him to his face and told him do not spread this idiocy to me. Trust your doctor and your nhs my wife works there a d I trust her to keep me informed.

You have personal choices so do I so does everyone in Britain it is why it is called Great Britain.

An anti-vaxxer turned up at an Italian vaccine centre wearing a fake silicone arm in an attempt to get his covid passport.

The nurse became suspicious at the arm, which was "unusually smooth and a slightly strange colour".

He pleaded with the nurse to turn a blind eye and inject the fake limb but he was to the police and he now faces prosecution.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... b-25606971