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Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:54 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:50 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:45 pm
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture yesterday. The statement from Orient on the club website confirms this, so why you try to argue against it is beyond me
EFL postponed the game as Orient were not available as
STADIUM RULES with regards TO COVID would
Have been BROKEN.
You carry on in your little fantasy world
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture and will be dealt with accordingly
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:57 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:54 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:50 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:45 pm
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture yesterday. The statement from Orient on the club website confirms this, so why you try to argue against it is beyond me
EFL postponed the game as Orient were not available as
STADIUM RULES with regards TO COVID would
Have been BROKEN.
You carry on in your little fantasy world
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture and will be dealt with accordingly
So are you suggesting people who were in contact with
Others who had + covid results should flout
EFL Covid stadium rules spinny ?
Now that is fantasy land
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:01 pm
by Ornchurch
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:34 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:18 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:07 am
It's not about the positive tests or games being postponed because of positive tests. It's about the week leading up to those tests and how Orient how Orient dealt with 9 players with a 'bug' and the 2 players who showed 'covid symptoms' on the Friday. On the outside it seems like Orient have picked and choosed when they would follow the EFL's guidelines and when they'd follow the government guidelines.
Honestly, this isn't hard to get your head around. It's baffling how few people on here seem to get it and think the EFL are picking on Orient. They're doing their job.
In your opinion.
What part of that is my opinion?
Your whole post. Wen you say "it looks like" then it is an opinion.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:10 pm
by Ornchurch
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:45 pm
Its all out of context, because the issue is dod Orient fulfill the fixture yesterday. They didn't because they told the EFL they couldn’t field a team.
Stadium rules are irrelevant if you Don't turn up with a team.
You were proven to be 100% wrong re the Spurs game as Orient despite what you claimed failed to fulfill the fixture and forfeited the tie
You seem to allow your support for Orient to blind you to the reality of the situation.
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture yesterday. The statement from Orient on the club website confirms this, so why you try to argue against it is beyond me
Was it that they couldn't field a team yesterday or were not allowed to field a team yesterday due to the Covid regulations?
Anyway, as said previously, although in Scotland both Aberdeen and Celtic had games postponed due to the breaking of Covid regulations, in Aberdeen's case the team all being in a bar after a game and in Celtic's case a player leaving the country and failing to declare it upon return. I believe that they were fined, in Celtic's case £30k, but no points were deducted and the games rescheduled.
If Orient followed the guidelines posted by Tuffers there should be no punishment but at worst it should be no more than a fine.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:17 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:57 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:54 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:50 pm
EFL postponed the game as Orient were not available as
STADIUM RULES with regards TO COVID would
Have been BROKEN.
You carry on in your little fantasy world
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture and will be dealt with accordingly
So are you suggesting people who were in contact with
Others who had + covid resultsshould flout
EFL Covid stadium rules spinny ?
Now that is fantasy land
I am suggesting that Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Orient themselves confirm this with their statement.
I am not suggesting anything other than Orient failed to fulfill the fixture, a fact Orient confirm, but which you seem to struggle to accept.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:28 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:45 pm
You were proven to be 100% wrong re the Spurs game as Orient despite what you claimed failed to fulfill the fixture and forfeited the tie
You seem to allow your support for Orient to blind you to the reality of the situation.
The only claim I made was that LOFC closed the ground on sat/Sun after the 1st results
Returned positive & had a team available to play, also
That Public Health as stated by NT closed it between 3pm tueday & 10am
Wednesday .
Other than that i think you maybe confusing me with others
who challenged your comments.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:32 pm
by tuffers#1
It seems the EFL suspended the game due to EFL &
GOVERNMENT GUIDELINES SPINNY
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:57 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:54 pm
You carry on in your little fantasy world
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture and will be dealt with accordingly
So are you suggesting people who were in contact with
Others who had + covid resultsshould flout
EFL Covid stadium rules spinny ?
Now that is fantasy land
I am suggesting that Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Orient themselves confirm this with their statement.
I am not suggesting anything other than Orient failed to fulfill the fixture, a fact Orient confirm, but which you seem to struggle to accept.
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/september ... on-orient/
This weekend’s Sky Bet League Two fixture between Walsall and Leyton Orient has been suspended and will not take place on Saturday as scheduled.
Due to the number of positive cases of COVID-19 within the Leyton Orient squad and the requirement for players and staff to subsequently self-isolate as per EFL and Government guidance, the Club has advised the EFL it considers it is unable to safely fulfil this weekend’s fixture.
A revised date for the rearranged fixture will be confirmed in due course.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:10 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:32 pm
It seems the EFL suspended the game due to EFL &
GOVERNMENT GUIDELINES SPINNY
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:57 pm
So are you suggesting people who were in contact with
Others who had + covid resultsshould flout
EFL Covid stadium rules spinny ?
Now that is fantasy land
I am suggesting that Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Orient themselves confirm this with their statement.
I am not suggesting anything other than Orient failed to fulfill the fixture, a fact Orient confirm, but which you seem to struggle to accept.
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/september ... on-orient/
This weekend’s Sky Bet League Two fixture between Walsall and Leyton Orient has been suspended and will not take place on Saturday as scheduled.
Due to the number of positive cases of COVID-19 within the Leyton Orient squad and the requirement for players and staff to subsequently self-isolate as per EFL and Government guidance, the Club has advised the EFL it considers it is unable to safely fulfil this weekend’s fixture.
A revised date for the rearranged fixture will be confirmed in due course.
Thank you for confirming what I have said, namely that Orient did not fulfill their fixture on Saturday
Now you agree Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday we can put this thread to bed
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:19 pm
by Ornchurch
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:10 pm
Thank you for confirming what I have said, namely that Orient did not fulfill their fixture on Saturday
Now you agree Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday we can put this thread to bed
There is a difference between could not and did not.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:24 pm
by Long slender neck
Thread Vietnam
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:59 pm
by A Pedant
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:22 pm
Yeah, but Sky wouldn’t.
How much influence in all this do the Murdochians wield?
None, since Sky was sold to Comcast in 2018 who acquired all of the shares.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:22 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:10 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:32 pm
It seems the EFL suspended the game due to EFL &
GOVERNMENT GUIDELINES SPINNY
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:17 pm
I am suggesting that Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Orient themselves confirm this with their statement.
I am not suggesting anything other than Orient failed to fulfill the fixture, a fact Orient confirm, but which you seem to struggle to accept.
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/september ... on-orient/
This weekend’s Sky Bet League Two fixture between Walsall and Leyton Orient has been suspended and will not take place on Saturday as scheduled.
Due to the number of positive cases of COVID-19 within the Leyton Orient squad and the requirement for players and staff to subsequently self-isolate as per EFL and Government guidance, the Club has advised the EFL it considers it is unable to safely fulfil this weekend’s fixture.
A revised date for the rearranged fixture will be confirmed in due course.
Thank you for confirming what I have said, namely that Orient did not fulfill their fixture on Saturday
Now you agree Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday we can put this thread to bed
spen666 wrote: ↑
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture yesterday. The statement from Orient on the club website confirms this, so why you try to argue against it is beyond me
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:24 pm
by tuffers#1
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:22 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:10 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:32 pm
It seems the EFL suspended the game due to EFL &
GOVERNMENT GUIDELINES SPINNY
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/september ... on-orient/
This weekend’s Sky Bet League Two fixture between Walsall and Leyton Orient has been suspended and will not take place on Saturday as scheduled.
Due to the number of positive cases of COVID-19 within the Leyton Orient squad and the requirement for players and staff to subsequently self-isolate as per EFL and Government guidance, the Club has advised the EFL it considers it is unable to safely fulfil this weekend’s fixture.
A revised date for the rearranged fixture will be confirmed in due course.
Thank you for confirming what I have said, namely that Orient did not fulfill their fixture on Saturday
Now you agree Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday we can put this thread to bed
spen666 wrote: ↑
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture yesterday. The statement from Orient on the club website confirms this, so why you try to argue against it is beyond me
Spen suggests LOFC transgressed the rules yesterday ( Saturday )
After I pointed out Stadium Safety rules with regards to EFL guidlines
I think LOFC didnt transgress any EFL guidance or rules.
Sorry Spinny your claim has been debunked !
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:06 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:24 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:22 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:10 pm
Thank you for confirming what I have said, namely that Orient did not fulfill their fixture on Saturday
Now you agree Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday we can put this thread to bed
spen666 wrote: ↑
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture yesterday. The statement from Orient on the club website confirms this, so why you try to argue against it is beyond me
Spen suggests LOFC transgressed the rules yesterday ( Saturday )
After I pointed out Stadium Safety rules with regards to EFL guidlines
I think LOFC didnt transgress any EFL guidance or rules.
Sorry Spinny your claim has been debunked !
I said Orient failed to fulfill the fixture on Saturday.
Orient have confirmed they were not going to fulfill fixture.
Not sure what you think you have debunked, but Orient did not fulfill the fixture yesterday. That is factual and confirmed by Orient on the club website.
Are you trying to suggest that Orient did fulfill the fixture
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:20 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:06 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:24 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:22 pm
spen666 wrote:
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
Spen suggests LOFC transgressed the rules yesterday ( Saturday )
I said Orient failed to fulfill the fixture on Saturday.
Orient have confirmed they were not going to fulfill fixture.
Not sure what you think you have debunked, but Orient did not fulfill the fixture yesterday. That is factual and confirmed by Orient on the club website.
Are you trying to suggest that Orient did fulfill the fixture
" spen666 wrote: ↑
Sometimes you have to accept that your club have transgressed the rules and stop trying to defend the indefensible..
A revised date for the rearranged fixture will be confirmed in due course.
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/september ... on-orient/
The fixture will be re-arranged
Unlike the Spuds game Spinny .
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:31 pm
by Long slender neck
So is not fulfilling a fixture punishable if it's due to covid19 reasons?
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:33 pm
by tuffers#1
Spen seems to think its a transgression of rules &
People should stop defending the indefensible
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:09 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:33 pm
Spen seems to think its a transgression of rules &
People should stop defending the indefensible
Glad you know what I think.
Not sure what your point is.
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Are you disagreeing in light of the statement from Orient that they were not going to fulfill the fixture
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:11 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:09 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:33 pm
Spen seems to think its a transgression of rules &
People should stop defending the indefensible
Glad you know what I think.
Not sure what your point is.
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Are you disagreeing in light of the statement from Orient that they were not going to fulfill the fixture
The fixture has been postponed spin
It will happen at some point
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:11 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:09 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:33 pm
Spen seems to think its a transgression of rules &
People should stop defending the indefensible
Glad you know what I think.
Not sure what your point is.
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Are you disagreeing in light of the statement from Orient that they were not going to fulfill the fixture
The fixture has been postponed spin
It will happen at some point
Then you are agreeing Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday.
We are back to where we were hours ago, you are agreeing with me that Orient did not fulfill the fixture.
We seem to reach agreement. Then you make up things again.
Its not controversial either Orient fulfilled the fixture or they didn't
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:09 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:11 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:09 pm
Glad you know what I think.
Not sure what your point is.
Orient failed to fulfill the fixture.
Are you disagreeing in light of the statement from Orient that they were not going to fulfill the fixture
The fixture has been postponed spin
It will happen at some point
Then you are agreeing Orient did not fulfill the fixture on Saturday.
We are back to where we were hours ago, you are agreeing with me that Orient did not fulfill the fixture.
We seem to reach agreement. Then you make up things again.
Its not controversial either Orient fulfilled the fixture or they didn't
Postponement of a game is not
transgression of rules &
Not not fullfilling a fixture Spinny
Its a postponement of a game
You still not got over this spinny ?
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Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:13 pm
by Long slender neck
Please stop
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:18 pm
by Adz
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:57 pm
Adz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:43 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:35 am
Failing to fulfill a fixture is one rule broken
You talking about the league game or cup?
They failed to fulfill both.
Been dealt with for Cup game by forfeiting the Cup tie
OK, so for the league this is the efl governance.
28 Postponements, Abandonments and Re-Arrangements
28.1 In the event of any League Match not being played owing to Football Association Cup Matches, weather or other causes over which neither Club has any control or being ordered to be replayed it shall be played on a date to be mutually arranged, but at the earliest reasonable opportunity and in any event prior to the last scheduled round of fixtures in the Normal Playing Season. Both Clubs shall notify The League of such arrangements within seven days of the postponement being identified, for the approval of The League. Any League Match not so arranged shall have its date fixed by The League.
There's clearly no breach of any rule there, so can we put to bed your claim of failing to fulfil a fixture rule being broken? The review is not for breaching fixture fulfilment rules. It's to see if we breached any covid rules. It'll be interesting to see the outcome of that.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:19 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Infuriating.
Re: Conduct charge and Fine
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:46 pm
by Max B Gold
Adz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:18 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:57 pm
Adz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:43 am
You talking about the league game or cup?
They failed to fulfill both.
Been dealt with for Cup game by forfeiting the Cup tie
OK, so for the league this is the efl governance.
28 Postponements, Abandonments and Re-Arrangements
28.1 In the event of any League Match not being played owing to Football Association Cup Matches, weather or other causes over which neither Club has any control or being ordered to be replayed it shall be played on a date to be mutually arranged, but at the earliest reasonable opportunity and in any event prior to the last scheduled round of fixtures in the Normal Playing Season. Both Clubs shall notify The League of such arrangements within seven days of the postponement being identified, for the approval of The League. Any League Match not so arranged shall have its date fixed by The League.
There's clearly no breach of any rule there, so can we put to bed your claim of failing to fulfil a fixture rule being broken? The review is not for breaching fixture fulfilment rules. It's to see if we breached any covid rules. It'll be interesting to see the outcome of that.
So if the investigation is into breaking Covid rules but there are no provisions to punish the club under EFL rules what will happen if it turns out they did break them?
Only Spen can put us right on this one.
