Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Mightynewsman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:53 pm The simple answer is this if you are Ruel why would you stay at Orient? And if you do how long for? Will he progress with Us will he even be given the chance if he has a bad run will he be dropped and then not given a chance in favour of another player or loan player? And also people forget Sterling game in last season who was unfit you just wonder had he of been fit would he have played instead of Ruel?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:26 pm

Mightynewsman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:53 pm The simple answer is this if you are Ruel why would you stay at Orient? And if you do how long for? Will he progress with Us will he even be given the chance if he has a bad run will he be dropped and then not given a chance in favour of another player or loan player? And also people forget Sterling game in last season who was unfit you just wonder had he of been fit would he have played instead of Ruel?

For all we know Sterling might have been better. I wouldn’t mind getting him back on loan next season especially if Ruel leaves

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:03 pm Two clubs from completely different parallels of the universe one Manchester United the other Leyton Orient. United have a young talented forward Mason Greenwood come through the youth system and after showing outstanding ability and this season scoring goals not too far short of regular first teamers Martial and Rashford they get him signed up on a new improved contract. Because they are paying weekly wages of six figures he falls short of the top earners.They saw a talent and rewarded it.
The other club Leyton Orient develop a young striker who maybe did not show the obvious same early ability but as he matured he showed last season some obvious improvement in the qualities of a lower league striker self belief, confidence in himself, pace and a rarity at a club like the Orient, goals!. The people who decide contracts at the club should have seen this immediately and improved his wages instantly. Ruel at a guess was probably on a wage of around lets say £500 per week, at that time with what he was showing i cant believe a pay increase to around £3,000 per week would have been turned down. If you weigh that up with our two regular forwards who were probably on two or three times more than Ruel but scoring fewer goals. Let's say he had accepted the new 2/3 year contract we all know the way things work out in lower league football, if he carried on scoring goals at the same rate he would have been sold for a figure of minimum £500,000 but probably quite a lot more and that would have been inside 12 months.
Instead we now face the likely prospect of losing him for nothing, a really costly error for a club of our size and before anyone shouts "Pay Cut", this should have been done long before the virus break in football.
I know you cant compare United with Orient on almost anything but it's the similar scenarios of the two and we as a club could be found wanting. Hopefully Ruel does sign for us but things dont look very good at the moment.
What i would like to see is a little more positivety with pushing our exciting youth players forward when we develope them if not what would be the point of youth developement at Leyton Orient and that is from someone who is 200% in favour of it continuing.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:50 pm Tuffers...Hardly a fair comparison!
i think i said that in my opening two lines and then you roll out all the historical statistics of both clubs, you did not really need to do that did you.
My whole point was that i think Ruel is probably the clubs biggest assett and the club should have acted quicker with new contract. 7+3 apps 5 goals i make that 1 in 2 not bad for youngster in struggling team.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:30 pm You could be right but the clue is in the title "Management" they have to make decisions based on thier judgement. My argument is he is probably the biggest financial assett to "Little old Leyton Orient" and if he walks for nothing then we have lost out on hundreds of thousands of pounds. Nigel and Kent wont be pleased

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:18 pm Whats funny?

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:14 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:18 pm Whats funny?

Someone saying pay him £3k a week for a young player, not yet proven at this level over a whole season. That's bullshitti territory and we all know how that worked out.

If you wanted a realistic number I'd say it would be £1,500 tops and that's absolute tops including bonus.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:25 pm Hi Thor just a few of questions.
Who do you think is the best paid and what would you think they are on?
How much do you think Angol and Wilkinson are on and they only signed last summer.
What player presently would fetch biggest transfer fee?

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:43 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:49 am

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:35 pm

Then he might have a case?

None of the others - Harold excluded - have any sort of track record at all.

He had a bigger impact on games than any other striker at the club last season. I’m also pretty sure none of them scored more goals than him either, even though he didn’t get brought into the squad until December/January.

Of course he is worth the same wage as Angol and Wilkinson right now.

Angol and Wilkinson are 5-6 years older than Sotiriou and have played over 100 games each in the league. Angol in particular has scored a few at a higher level too. Sotiriou has played a quarter of a season for us.

You're usually one of the more sensible football posters on here, please stop overreacting.

Lee Angol had started 66 league games before and scored 29 league goals before coming here.

Wilko had started 56 league games and scored 13 league goals before coming here.

Neither are experienced or have any sort of a track record.

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:14 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:00 pm

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:26 pm
Exactly. The thats the point I'm trying to make, not every youngster turns out to be good enough, whether it be the short or long term.

You don’t make points, just dig out those who don’t work for the club.

What is your role there fella?

It doesn't matter what I say, you will just tell me I'm wrong.

You just tell me what you want to hear and I will agree with you and say you're correct, because whatever you say is always right

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:06 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:43 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:49 am

Angol and Wilkinson are 5-6 years older than Sotiriou and have played over 100 games each in the league. Angol in particular has scored a few at a higher level too. Sotiriou has played a quarter of a season for us.

You're usually one of the more sensible football posters on here, please stop overreacting.

Lee Angol had started 66 league games before and scored 29 league goals before coming here.

Wilko had started 56 league games and scored 13 league goals before coming here.

Neither are experienced or have any sort of a track record.

Seen as you love going on about track record, what kind of track record does Sotiriou have?

He’s played a dozen games...

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:04 pm So any young player that reaches the first team shows promise we as a club dont offer them a contract which they would sign. Remember thier agent will know the going rate at the club and what his client is worth.
Conclusion...Scrap the youth development as it's worthless!!...and i have always and still do love home grown talent.

DuvB wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:22 pm I cannot believe how so many on here are going overboard over a young man who has played a handful of games and scored a few goals. A quarter of a season and he is worth £150K? Is he another Rooney? Or Owen? It’s madness.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:04 pm So any young player that reaches the first team shows promise we as a club dont offer them a contract which they would sign. Remember thier agent will know the going rate at the club and what his client is worth.
Conclusion...Scrap the youth development as it's worthless!!...and i have always and still do love home grown talent.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:32 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:22 pm I cannot believe how so many on here are going overboard over a young man who has played a handful of games and scored a few goals. A quarter of a season and he is worth £150K? Is he another Rooney? Or Owen? It’s madness.

No, A Rooney or Owen would go for 10mill. 150k is perfectly reasonable, Sancho went for 8 mill having never played a game, and there are loads of weaker prem players who have moved for millions having barely played a first team game.