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Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:14 am Thread is starting to get embarrassing for people on both sides of the argument. Very emotive topics are never going to end well on here. Steering well clear.

BBC car took me to Brand's house, says accuser

Alice says a BBC car was used to take her from school at the age of 16 to Russell Brand's house.

She tells Woman's Hour that it was a chauffer-driven car, rather than a taxi.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:29 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:14 am Thread is starting to get embarrassing for people on both sides of the argument. Very emotive topics are never going to end well on here. Steering well clear.

Can you point to something embarrassing that’s been said by someone who maintains that Brand is a rapist? Your fence sitting “I’ll take the middle ground on any given issue, that’s sure to never make me look unreasonable” schtick is dull at the best of times, but when it ends up being like “the rape apologists and the people who don’t think rapists are nice have both had a mare here”, perhaps it’s time to back out of the thread

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:15 am Not what I'm getting at. I just would like to see the full text exchange that would be shown in a courtroom so that I can see how strong the evidence against him is and if its undeniable etc.

I'm not sure why you find it so hard to have a polite conversation.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:30 am

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:29 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:14 am Thread is starting to get embarrassing for people on both sides of the argument. Very emotive topics are never going to end well on here. Steering well clear.

Can you point to something embarrassing that’s been said by someone who maintains that Brand is a rapist? Your fence sitting “I’ll take the middle ground on any given issue, that’s sure to never make me look unreasonable” schtick is dull at the best of times, but when it ends up being like “the rape apologists and the people who don’t think rapists are nice have both had a mare here”, perhaps it’s time to back out of the thread

As I say, a bit embarrassing.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:32 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:30 am

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:29 am

Can you point to something embarrassing that’s been said by someone who maintains that Brand is a rapist? Your fence sitting “I’ll take the middle ground on any given issue, that’s sure to never make me look unreasonable” schtick is dull at the best of times, but when it ends up being like “the rape apologists and the people who don’t think rapists are nice have both had a mare here”, perhaps it’s time to back out of the thread

As I say, a bit embarrassing.

You really are a bit dim.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:31 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:15 am Not what I'm getting at. I just would like to see the full text exchange that would be shown in a courtroom so that I can see how strong the evidence against him is and if its undeniable etc.

I'm not sure why you find it so hard to have a polite conversation.

How far back would you like to see the text exchange? You do understand that the only texts pertinent to whether someone was raped or not are the texts after the rape, right? What might have been said before that could provide context that makes it less damning?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:49 am 24hr ban for ceb for being a patronising twit

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:49 am 24hr ban for ceb for being a patronising twit

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:10 am Yes, I’m happy calling Russell Brand a rapist. I’m basing that on the fact that there is credible evidence that he is a rapist.

It’s pretty amazing that you’re like “what?! Social consequences for men accused of rape!? That’s not cricket, is it?”

I can only assume you have not either read the story, watched the documentary, and have never read anything at all about how “due process” harms women?

Do you think that Im wrong in calling Sgt Paul Storey a double rapist? He bullied me at school. Two of his colleagues reported him for rape and sexual assault. “Due process” meant he kept his job for two years, was never prosecuted, but an internal investigation by the police concluded he raped two women. He has not been found guilty in a court of law, but he is a rapist, is he not?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:07 am The graphics dont look right. There's a timestamp thats in the wrong place. Some of the text is blurry. It may just be a mock up from messages the Times have seen and I guess thats fine.

The above 'screenshot' is from Twitter. Anyone got access to The Times or somewhere else that may show the messages?

oxo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:31 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:07 am The graphics dont look right. There's a timestamp thats in the wrong place. Some of the text is blurry. It may just be a mock up from messages the Times have seen and I guess thats fine.

The above 'screenshot' is from Twitter. Anyone got access to The Times or somewhere else that may show the messages?

If you were going to fake a text exchange to frame someone you wouldn’t do it in a way that might make incredulous types suspicious

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 am Agree with CEB on that. Quite a few of the conspiracies he platforms - or 'just asks questions about' - are also espoused by the far right for their own ends and agendas but, as far as I know, he's never got into all the Great Replacement sh*t that often goes along with it or anything like that. Too convenient to write him off as fash.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:34 pm As I say, it is probably just a poor mockup. Really, they shouldnt try to make it look real. Either post a screenshot or just post the text from them.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:24 pm Is Billy Bragg a lefty?