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Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:51 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:22 am

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:16 am

Jobi McAnuff will be the 4th central midfielder.

That is about right but with injuries and loss of (or in Gorman’s case - neglible) form means we need someone else. Jobi will be lucky to play 20 games this season.

@Disoriented
A good and reasoned summing up of the current situation.
After watching yesterdays game, the 5-3-2 formation struggled to make an impact on the wings, getting in good crosses etc. Widdowson is a happier playing a defensive role and struggles when doing the overlapping role and trying to get in good quality crosses from traditional winger areas. Ling is what he is, Judd when fitter and in form adds a lot more to the role of a right sided wing-back. Top quality sides like Liverpool have two very attacking wing-backs so can play this system well. We at present have two full backs who are not that comfortable on the ball when asked to go forward and overlap and put in good quality crosses, its horses for courses really. Play this system as we are and it will put a lot of extra work on the two central midfielders and result in a lack of decent service for the front two central strikers thus not many chances to score goals. Seems like JMD will play a roving role playing behind the front two.

Heah Diss I told ya 49 wasn't Sid

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:00 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:49 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:12 am

Firstly, comparing apples to oranges is a flawed process. Also, Gorman was acquired last year whilst Lee was on the books, so he is clearly not a ‘replacement’.

I look forward to hearing who these new arrivals are, as my source tells me they will be in by next Saturday.

“ comparing apples to oranges” . Shame your “ source” cannot reveal who the new arrivals are, it would give you a head start in the moaning stakes

Your sarcasm is ill-founded. If I knew who was coming, why would I tell you anyway fella. You would only criticise the news anyway.

Stay positive fella - I am.

You positive, never in a million years

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:35 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:00 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:49 am

“ comparing apples to oranges” . Shame your “ source” cannot reveal who the new arrivals are, it would give you a head start in the moaning stakes

Your sarcasm is ill-founded. If I knew who was coming, why would I tell you anyway fella. You would only criticise the news anyway.

Stay positive fella - I am.

You positive, never in a million years

Definitely a half-glass full person.

What are you Taxio?

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:32 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:51 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:22 am

That is about right but with injuries and loss of (or in Gorman’s case - neglible) form means we need someone else. Jobi will be lucky to play 20 games this season.

@Disoriented
A good and reasoned summing up of the current situation.
After watching yesterdays game, the 5-3-2 formation struggled to make an impact on the wings, getting in good crosses etc. Widdowson is a happier playing a defensive role and struggles when doing the overlapping role and trying to get in good quality crosses from traditional winger areas. Ling is what he is, Judd when fitter and in form adds a lot more to the role of a right sided wing-back. Top quality sides like Liverpool have two very attacking wing-backs so can play this system well. We at present have two full backs who are not that comfortable on the ball when asked to go forward and overlap and put in good quality crosses, its horses for courses really. Play this system as we are and it will put a lot of extra work on the two central midfielders and result in a lack of decent service for the front two central strikers thus not many chances to score goals. Seems like JMD will play a roving role playing behind the front two.

Heah Diss I told ya 49 wasn't Sid

@point nine one eight
While I have been busy and away from the forum, perhaps @Disoriented was missing me, perhaps thought I had run away and changed into someone else !! A case of ''Absence makes the heart grow fonder''

Obviously not - not looking good for any re-enforcements better be lucky with injuries!

Luckybay1969 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:48 pm Obviously not - not looking good for any re-enforcements better be lucky with injuries!

Have you been told this?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:21 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:51 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:27 pm We have ling, Judd and Turley. Why would we need any more?

Although this is probably sarcasm, I’ll humour it.

Ling is the worst RB I’ve ever seen. Judd has potential but is raw and injury prone at the moment. Turley is a CB.

Correct on all three counts.

Disembowelled, in fact it's incorrect on the first 2 counts.
I've seen far many worse Right Backs than & most fans would probably agree. Seems to be a poisoned chalice position as most of them apart from saviour Judd gets the scapegoat treatment.
Ling, Caprice, Clohessey etc
Terry Howard was my favourite & Bobby Fisher was the first O's one I saw but I also really rated Mark Warren back in the 90s, shame he never realised his potential.
Saw something from Ling last week in the Norwich game that suggests he will have a good season. Looks like his confidence is back & he was getting forward more.

O my gawd wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:24 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:21 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:51 pm
Although this is probably sarcasm, I’ll humour it.

Ling is the worst RB I’ve ever seen. Judd has potential but is raw and injury prone at the moment. Turley is a CB.

Correct on all three counts.

Disembowelled, in fact it's incorrect on the first 2 counts.
I've seen far many worse Right Backs than & most fans would probably agree. Seems to be a poisoned chalice position as most of them apart from saviour Judd gets the scapegoat treatment.
Ling, Caprice, Clohessey etc
Terry Howard was my favourite & Bobby Fisher was the first O's one I saw but I also really rated Mark Warren back in the 90s, shame he never realised his potential.
Saw something from Ling last week in the Norwich game that suggests he will have a good season. Looks like his confidence is back & he was getting forward more.

Good for you fella, the self-professed ‘font of all knowledge’.

I’ll back Biggy’s opinion over yours any day.

You need to try harder - it is clear you are desperately striving to be noticed on here.

Bless.

Going to have to try very hard to be a bigger attention. Seeker than you.
Haven't got the time or the inclination.
You'll probably end up mugging yourself off like you did with Craig Clay last year. Ended up a Champion & Player of the year.

Bless

Ling is not the best right back ever at this club but also not the very worst !!
I think he is a very basic sort of player, ok a trier but not one of those classy, special players who will later on be capable of attracting a sizable transfer fee, he may gradually get better, who knows. Ling is still young and lacks confidence, perhaps he was better off staying at a club like D@R where he got into the side on his own merits without the issue of his dad being in the management team as it is here at Leyton Orient. Always a problem at any level of sport in Fathers having their children play in a team they are helping manage. I think its best to leave the lad alone, I dont think it helps to pick on any players, not going to help them improve is it !!
I much prefer to give both Judd and and Ling encouragement, same goes for Alabi and all the other players who need a boost to their confidence, after all, confidence helps breed success !!

Ling looked more assured against Norwich. Hopefully will continue

aylesburyos wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:54 am Ling looked more assured against Norwich. Hopefully will continue

Let him get on with his game and stop this witch hunting of him and any other Orient players.
No player plays bad deliberately, its their job and their livelihood after all.
Pro football is rather brutal really, perform and you go higher up in the chain, dont perform and after your contract runs out, then you are out of a job and drop lower down the chain and eventually end up out of work as a football player, its a short career, 15 years or so years top wack if you are very lucky .

Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

Bttt, well, where are these new signings then ?

Redcard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:37 am Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

@Redcard, we agree and I know from my own playing days that confidence is everything when it comes to playing football and your game is not improved by people getting on your back all the time, some encouragement works far better !!

Redcard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:37 am Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

So no one according to you is allowed an opinion anymore, unless its a positive one praising the player?

If a player isnt very good, we have to lie and say how good he is?

Free speech is gone?

what a load of baloney!

Redcard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:37 am Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

100% Right Sid and Redcard
We are a recently promoted L2 side
Ling doesn’t need slaughtering as he’s no more than an average Pro’ in a L2 side.
If you want to watch Premier League quality then stay away and go elsewhere.
Let’s try and all get behind Ross and the lads on Saturday and win for Justin.

Redcard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:37 am Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

Agree with your overall sentiments and good luck to Caprice if he got player of the season at Tranmere but he was in a side doing well. He was in a struggling side during his short spell at the O’s and couldn’t ( or wouldn’t ) deal with it and as a result came in for heavy criticism. As you say you can only ask that a player tries his best and that was something Caprice certainly didn’t do.

[quote=redintheface post
Agree with your overall sentiments and good luck to Caprice if he got player of the season at Tranmere but he was in a side doing well. He was in a struggling side during his short spell at the O’s and couldn’t ( or wouldn’t ) deal with it and as a result came in for heavy criticism. As you say you can only ask that a player tries his best and that was something Caprice certainly didn’t do.
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As to Caprice, yes he had something about him and yes he was given some rough treatment by some of our fans.........but I wish he could have shown more urgency to try to get back to his position as right back when he got stranded up-field, Caprice just jogged back whereas when fit and in form, Judd runs back fast to his position. Part of the problem for Caprice was that he was more suited to the role of a wing-back rather than purely as a fullback, I think Tranmere played him as a wing-back last season, if so, then could be why he performed better.

redintheface wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:58 pm

Redcard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:37 am Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

Agree with your overall sentiments and good luck to Caprice if he got player of the season at Tranmere but he was in a side doing well. He was in a struggling side during his short spell at the O’s and couldn’t ( or wouldn’t ) deal with it and as a result came in for heavy criticism. As you say you can only ask that a player tries his best and that was something Caprice certainly didn’t do.

Very disrespectful to say that Caprice didn't try his best. When things were going badly, he was one of the few who actually looked like he wanted the ball, which is probably why he got so much stick, as his mistakes were more obvious.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:25 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:58 pm

Redcard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:37 am Sid bishop, you are 100% right. Ling is not the greatest defender but he is a long long way from some of the rubbish that I’ve seen at the orient in my many years of support. Supporters should get behind our players and encourage them not jeer them every time they make a mistake. Football is a confidence game and if players are cheered instead of jeered you will get the best out of them. Even the greatest players make the sort of errors you wouldn’t expect from a Sunday league team, and I ask this of those that jeer, “how would you perform in your job if you had a large group of people jeering you”.
Caprice was slaughtered by our ‘fans’, but was the player of the season at tranmere a league up from us, perhaps this had something to do with the support he got from the terraces. All you can ask of any player is that he tries his best and doesn’t hide, and neither Ling or Alabi for that matter can be faulted.

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Agree with your overall sentiments and good luck to Caprice if he got player of the season at Tranmere but he was in a side doing well. He was in a struggling side during his short spell at the O’s and couldn’t ( or wouldn’t ) deal with it and as a result came in for heavy criticism. As you say you can only ask that a player tries his best and that was something Caprice certainly didn’t do.

Very disrespectful to say that Caprice didn't try his best. When things were going badly, he was one of the few who actually looked like he wanted the ball, which is probably why he got so much stick, as his mistakes were more obvious.

Just calling it as I saw it - all a matter of opinion.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:12 pm [quote=redintheface post
Agree with your overall sentiments and good luck to Caprice if he got player of the season at Tranmere but he was in a side doing well. He was in a struggling side during his short spell at the O’s and couldn’t ( or wouldn’t ) deal with it and as a result came in for heavy criticism. As you say you can only ask that a player tries his best and that was something Caprice certainly didn’t do.

As to Caprice, yes he had something about him and yes he was given some rough treatment by some of our fans.........but I wish he could have shown more urgency to try to get back to his position as right back when he got stranded up-field, Caprice just jogged back whereas when fit and in form, Judd runs back fast to his position. Part of the problem for Caprice was that he was more suited to the role of a wing-back rather than purely as a fullback, I think Tranmere played him as a wing-back last season, if so, then could be why he performed better.
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Went out on a limb with Caprice. One of my favourite players and exactly the type of full back I like. There was nothing at fault with his effort and he always wanted the ball. Trouble is our system left him exposed when he went forward and Usain Bold would have struggled to get back. Scapegoated unfairly and big time. Sad to see him go. Glad he went to a team whose style best suited him and not surprised he has done well.

Just not the player that suited our style, a style that got us promoted. He did well, we did well. Win/win.

Come on you os. Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the stick that certain players take is unwarranted. As I stated Ling is not the greatest full back I’ve seen at the orient but he is by no means the worse.
I’ve seen games where he has played reasonably well and yet some single him out for unnecessary criticism and I think that much of the dislike is based not on his performances but his family connection.
For the record I prefer turley to the other two.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:06 pm Bttt, well, where are these new signings then ?

I'm am beginning to get the feeling that, if JE had still been with us, new incoming players would have been here by now.
There seems to be a bit of reluctance to commit at the moment, it's like nobody quite knows what to do.

If that really is the case then it was a mistake not to bring in a new experienced Head Coach now.