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The headline might grab the attention, but the story is mostly about the plight and requests of the families of hostages who are - quite rightly and understandably - desperate for anything to be done that would bring home their loved ones. This includes asking those in power in Israel and elsewhere to negotiate for their release with Hamas. One can only imagine the horrors they are going through.

Of course, the best outcome would be unconditional release of all hostages, but that's not going to happen.

I think there's been far worse headlines than this over the past couple of weeks to take issue with.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am The organisational structure of Hamas is purposely designed to avoid typical structural forms of hierarchy. Similar to how ISIS was structured.

This gives it resilience to targeted attacks and assassinations of leaders, but a consequence of this is that it is disjointed and with limited central command. This can make any attempt to negotiation very difficult.

Every military unit to be successfully operative needs a Corporal Jones with access to rations and a lorry.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:53 am Oh wait, I just clicked on Pam’s link, so I need to quickly bet my house on “sharing tweets by Quillete are we?” as the defence

Oh damn, is that some sort of faux pas? Was the tweet Sky News used so assumed it was alright

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:52 am Interested to see if anyone here tries to defend it.
I suspect it’ll just be ignored as inconvenient.
Aside from Max, who no doubt will tie himself in knots

Hostages indeed need to be released & The need to stop Killing of Israeli & Palestinian also needs to end. 2 sensible solutions likely to be Ignored.

Iran calling for stability in the region is amusing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67188346

Are Hamas even open to negotiations?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:19 am Are Hamas even open to negotiations?

Hamas will do exactly what they are told to do by their paymasters.

I read that once a single kidnapped israeli was exchanged for 1000 Palestinian prisoners.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:23 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:19 am Are Hamas even open to negotiations?

Hamas will do exactly what they are told to do by their paymasters.

.....as do Israel, by their paymasters!

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:37 am I read that once a single kidnapped israeli was exchanged for 1000 Palestinian prisoners.

That is correct, the inference being that a single Israeli is worth a thousand Palestinians, but they made a rod for their own back, because Hamas know they will be willing to do deals now

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:51 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:23 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:19 am Are Hamas even open to negotiations?

Hamas will do exactly what they are told to do by their paymasters.

.....as do Israel, by their paymasters!

Who are Israel's paymasters, COYOs?

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:51 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:51 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:23 am

Hamas will do exactly what they are told to do by their paymasters.

.....as do Israel, by their paymasters!

Who are Israel's paymasters, COYOs?

I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:06 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:51 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:51 am

.....as do Israel, by their paymasters!

Who are Israel's paymasters, COYOs?

I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

They also give circa $150,000,000 PA to the Palestinians

https://www.usaid.gov/west-bank-and-gaz ... 50-million

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:43 am

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:46 am

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:11 pm

UNHRC or UNICEF. Simply google UN Resolutions/Sanctions Israel.Or how many Palestinians killed by Israel since 2000 Unicef. Pretty easy to find. edit edit Amnesty for Unicef.

Don't think about facts and figures, in a couple of weeks everything will turn out ok and you'll be a very happy man

I doubt that.

Fingers crossed

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:19 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:06 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:51 pm

Who are Israel's paymasters, COYOs?

I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

They also give circa $150,000,000 PA to the Palestinians

https://www.usaid.gov/west-bank-and-gaz ... 50-million

I didn't know about that, but it's dwarfed by the 10 billion dollars Israel gets every year

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:06 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:51 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:51 am

.....as do Israel, by their paymasters!

Who are Israel's paymasters, COYOs?

I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

So Israel are currently bombing Gaza and established all their recent policies towards Palestine based on the say so of the Americans? That's what you're saying, if you think they're just doing the bidding of their "paymasters".

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:53 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:19 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:06 pm
I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

They also give circa $150,000,000 PA to the Palestinians

https://www.usaid.gov/west-bank-and-gaz ... 50-million

I didn't know about that, but it's dwarfed by the 10 billion dollars Israel gets every year

Is it 10m a day or 10bn a year? Make your mind up

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:11 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:06 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:51 pm

Who are Israel's paymasters, COYOs?

I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

So Israel are currently bombing Gaza and established all their recent policies towards Palestine based on the say so of the Americans? That's what you're saying, if you think they're just doing the bidding of their "paymasters".

I didnt say that. Someone put in a post about Hamas doing what their paymasters tell them, so i put in a riposte in the name of balance.
Just going off at a tangent, in the UN, twice last week, USA ( & UK) vetoed a vote on implementing a ceasefire in Gaza. Why do you think the US didnt want a ceasefire then?

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:30 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:11 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:06 pm
I seriously cant believe an intelligent chap like yourself hasnt been able to work that out. I suspect you know who i'm referring to, but in case you dont, Israels paymasters are the United States, who send Israel around 10million dollars A DAY, to Israel, which gives them great influence

So Israel are currently bombing Gaza and established all their recent policies towards Palestine based on the say so of the Americans? That's what you're saying, if you think they're just doing the bidding of their "paymasters".

I didnt say that.

You literally did. Don't go all Kieth Starmer on us.

Can we stop using Keith as an insult please?

For all the media trying to tell us that Israel's interest is just the destruction of Hamas, this article suggests that their objective is much wider.

https://imemc.org/article/600-palestini ... om-israel/

For context: IMEMC is a Palestinian news agency

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:11 pm Can we stop using Keith as an insult please?

I didn't, I said Kieth

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:27 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:11 pm Can we stop using Keith as an insult please?

I didn't, I said Kieth

I heard James O Brien uses that name as a derogatory term, lost on me.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:24 pm For context: IMEMC is a Palestinian news agency

Maybe we all need to hear more from them because most of the media here is so partisan.
Genocide happening in full view but the western world doesn't want to see.