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Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:33 pm The willingness of working class Tory voters to throw themselves under the bus to protect the rich is really quite some sight to behold. They'll gladly watch their lives, their community and their country go to absolute sh*t in order not to appear above their station. Its nauseating.

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:40 am I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:39 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:40 am I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:39 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:40 am I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:52 pm

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:39 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:40 am I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:52 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:52 pm

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:39 pm
Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

Clown. You think the government says right we will buy this, that and the other? Rubbish its down to the institutions themselves. They have been found wanting big time, but you left wingers just want to bash the government. Yes they have things they need to answer for, but buying is down to the buying teams not ministers.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:52 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:52 pm

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:39 pm
Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

Clown. You think the government says right we will buy this, that and the other? Rubbish its down to the institutions themselves. They have been found wanting big time, but you left wingers just want to bash the government. Yes they have things they need to answer for, but buying is down to the buying teams not ministers.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:10 pm NHS buying teams across all the trusts are the ones buying the product, not civil servants.

Hot take from someone I trust: Today’s Times article laying out Johnson’s incompetence is intended to result in his replacement by Murdoch’s paid underling Gove. The ERG [that's Rees-Mogg's mob] that run the country these days don’t like that outcome, but don’t want Johnson either. So they’ve been lining up their own candidate. Which is why, and prepare for this story to get even weirder than you could possibly have imagined, they’ve been keeping that candidate out of the spotlight for three weeks because they don’t want their chosen future leader to be associated with the catastrophic handling of this mess, they want it to be all Johnson and Hancock’s fault (who they regard as the worst type of Tories, pro-Europeans).

The candidate in question has to be threatened with the sack before they would agree to handle one press conference, which they then made a deliberate hash of with the intention of speeding up the process of replacement. Based on that internal viewpoint from a trusted source, can you guess who their candidate is? Because I had to be told it twice as I assumed the person who told me was joking the first time. How reliable is all this? It comes from the same source who told me in 2015 that the purpose of the referendum for the ERG was to end up with a government with an extremist agenda led by a populist buffoon called Boris Johnson who could sell it.,

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:25 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:10 pm NHS buying teams across all the trusts are the ones buying the product, not civil servants.

I know this will come as a shock to some, but Thory is completely wrong again. Well, I suppose not completely wrong as NHS trusts still pay, it's just that they get no say on what is coming to them.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/polic ... 1-04-2020/

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:40 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52366190

Seems like another f*ck up by goverment with
Corona virus info .

o-no wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:57 am No-one could have foreseen this.

slacker wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:10 pm Now I know a couple on here love a conspiracy theory, and everyone else a bit of gossip, so how's this for a rumour:

Hot take from someone I trust: Today’s Times article laying out Johnson’s incompetence is intended to result in his replacement by Murdoch’s paid underling Gove. The ERG [that's Rees-Mogg's mob] that run the country these days don’t like that outcome, but don’t want Johnson either. So they’ve been lining up their own candidate. Which is why, and prepare for this story to get even weirder than you could possibly have imagined, they’ve been keeping that candidate out of the spotlight for three weeks because they don’t want their chosen future leader to be associated with the catastrophic handling of this mess, they want it to be all Johnson and Hancock’s fault (who they regard as the worst type of Tories, pro-Europeans).

The candidate in question has to be threatened with the sack before they would agree to handle one press conference, which they then made a deliberate hash of with the intention of speeding up the process of replacement. Based on that internal viewpoint from a trusted source, can you guess who their candidate is? Because I had to be told it twice as I assumed the person who told me was joking the first time. How reliable is all this? It comes from the same source who told me in 2015 that the purpose of the referendum for the ERG was to end up with a government with an extremist agenda led by a populist buffoon called Boris Johnson who could sell it.,

Priti interesting jaw-jaw, eh

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 am

slacker wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:10 pm Now I know a couple on here love a conspiracy theory, and everyone else a bit of gossip, so how's this for a rumour:

Hot take from someone I trust: Today’s Times article laying out Johnson’s incompetence is intended to result in his replacement by Murdoch’s paid underling Gove. The ERG [that's Rees-Mogg's mob] that run the country these days don’t like that outcome, but don’t want Johnson either. So they’ve been lining up their own candidate. Which is why, and prepare for this story to get even weirder than you could possibly have imagined, they’ve been keeping that candidate out of the spotlight for three weeks because they don’t want their chosen future leader to be associated with the catastrophic handling of this mess, they want it to be all Johnson and Hancock’s fault (who they regard as the worst type of Tories, pro-Europeans).

The candidate in question has to be threatened with the sack before they would agree to handle one press conference, which they then made a deliberate hash of with the intention of speeding up the process of replacement. Based on that internal viewpoint from a trusted source, can you guess who their candidate is? Because I had to be told it twice as I assumed the person who told me was joking the first time. How reliable is all this? It comes from the same source who told me in 2015 that the purpose of the referendum for the ERG was to end up with a government with an extremist agenda led by a populist buffoon called Boris Johnson who could sell it.,

Priti interesting jaw-jaw, eh

The rich and powerful have been plotting how to remain "rich and powerful" since time began. The above wouldn't surprise me in the least. Boris has played his part and is now expendable.