Russia / Ukraine Watch

[Fisch]

I've been following this guy for a while. He does get a bit ahead of himself from time to time but his major info seems to be legit.

https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs

[tuffers#1]

Theyve left a load of weapons behind looks like they couldnt be arsed to fight for Putin anymore

[RedDwarf 1881]

A recent report on BBC said that not all Ukrainians in the East welcomed being "freed". My layman's impression is that a separate new state in the East would be the best solution. That would perhaps give the Russians and the pro Russian peoples a decent result although it would not obtain justice for war crimes. Borders have always been flexible so no reason why that could not happen

A bit like giving London to the EU
As most London residents voted to
Remain . I Like the way you are thinking

The only difference being this new state to the east of Ukraine would rule itself.

[The Mindsweep]

Are any domestic news outlets keeping up with this. I've been frightened to put on the main TV ones since Thursday evening.

[Dunners]

Not from what I've seen so far.

The Russian collapse is so rapid that they've abandoned their munitions and mechanised tech. In some areas UA forces are within walking distance of the Russian border. And with Izyum recaptured the supply lines for Russian forces in the South are seriously compromised.

This is looking serious for Putin. Even some of the more rabid mouthpieces on Russian telly are changing their tune and suggesting that he may be responsible.

[tuffers#1]

A recent report on BBC said that not all Ukrainians in the East welcomed being "freed". My layman's impression is that a separate new state in the East would be the best solution. That would perhaps give the Russians and the pro Russian peoples a decent result although it would not obtain justice for war crimes. Borders have always been flexible so no reason why that could not happen

A bit like giving London to the EU
As most London residents voted to
Remain . I Like the way you are thinking

The only difference being this new state to the east of Ukraine would rule itself.

Nope it wouldnt work !

[tuffers#1]

Are any domestic news outlets keeping up with this. I've been frightened to put on the main TV ones since Thursday evening.

It has crept onto bbc site

[Max B Gold]

Oh well it was good while it lasted

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/12/s ... nes-gains/

[Dunners]

I'd agree that, while the current Ukraine gains are great, they are by no means the final act in this conflict which is likely to have plenty more twists and turns. I'd also agree that Russia still remains favourite to 'win' this war. But at what cost?

A complete defeat for Russia, while hugely gratifying, carries its own risks which NATO command is all too aware. First there is the risk that a destabilised Kremlin feels compelled to escalate.

Second is that other ex-soviet states will be tempted to commence hostilities against each other which Russia would have otherwise stamped out. And a lot of them are major exporters of oil, gas, minerals and other commodities that the rest of the world relies on. Already we're seeing Azerbaijan attacking Armenia, and there are now reports of attacks along the Kyrgyzstan/Tajikistan border.

I believe that the strategy remains to prevent Russia from being capable of progressing beyond Ukraine and therefore avoiding a hot war between them and a NATO member state. Win or lose, this must be Russia's last war.

[Max B Gold]

I'd agree that, while the current Ukraine gains are great, they are by no means the final act in this conflict which is likely to have plenty more twists and turns. I'd also agree that Russia still remains favourite to 'win' this war. But at what cost?

A complete defeat for Russia, while hugely gratifying, carries its own risks which NATO command is all too aware. First there is the risk that a destabilised Kremlin feels compelled to escalate.

Second is that other ex-soviet states will be tempted to commence hostilities against each other which Russia would have otherwise stamped out. And a lot of them are major exporters of oil, gas, minerals and other commodities that the rest of the world relies on. Already we're seeing Azerbaijan attacking Armenia, and there are now reports of attacks along the Kyrgyzstan/Tajikistan border.

I believe that the strategy remains to prevent Russia from being capable of progressing beyond Ukraine and therefore avoiding a hot war between them and a NATO member state. Win or lose, this must be Russia's last war.

Once the nukes start flying it will become know as the war that ended all wars. Cannae wait.

[faldO]

Oh well it was good while it lasted

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/12/s ... nes-gains/

I like listening to Scott Ritter on YouTube and he is a very knowledgeable speaker and commentator. It's good to get a pro-Russian spin, for an alternative perspective and opinion.

He's been saying for months that Ukraine is taking unsustainable hits, whilst Russian hits are minimal and the Russian military knows exactly what it is doing, even in retreat. It takes a leap of faith to accept that 100%.

It's hard to imagine that Russia would allow Ukraine to retake the territory it lost in 2014, as that would represent a spectacular defeat for Russia.

[Dunners]

Oh well it was good while it lasted

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/12/s ... nes-gains/

I like listening to Scott Ritter on YouTube and he is a very knowledgeable speaker and commentator. It's good to get a pro-Russian spin, for an alternative perspective and opinion.

He's been saying for months that Ukraine is taking unsustainable hits, whilst Russian hits are minimal and the Russian military knows exactly what it is doing, even in retreat. It takes a leap of faith to accept that 100%.

It's hard to imagine that Russia would allow Ukraine to retake the territory it lost in 2014, as that would represent a spectacular defeat for Russia.

This was my favourite bit from that article, which I believe he typed with a completely straight face:

"The Russian military, moreover, is staffed by officers of the highest caliber, who have undergone extensive training in the military arts. They are experts in strategy, operations, and tactics. They know their business."

[Max B Gold]

Oh well it was good while it lasted

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/12/s ... nes-gains/

It's good to get a pro-Russian spin, for an alternative perspective and opinion.

I prefer FACTS rather than spin, so called alternative perspectives and opinion but that's just a personal choice.

[Bluecap]

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/12/s ... nes-gains/

[Max B Gold]

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/12/s ... nes-gains/

Interesting article. I can't help detecting the merest hint of bias.

[tuffers#1]

[Dunners]

It looks like Russia is making steps towards general mobilisation. Not sure how that is going to work, but it could see a lot more recruits being thrown into the meat grinder.

The problem is that, if this form of escalation doesn't work for them, then there's only one other type of escalation left for them to consider.

[Long slender neck]

but Erdogan just said he reckons Putin wants to end the war asap?

[Dunners]

Putin has pretty much been ordered to end the war ASAP by Xi. Neither Xi nor Erdogan are too fussed about how that is achieved.

[faldO]

One brave man...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ru ... r-AA122kbi

[The Mindsweep]

Putin to address nation for the first time since the invasion. Around now, 6.pm

[Dunners]

He's a bit late and just getting to it now. Partial mobilisation being confirmed. Rhetoric is all that this is now about defending Russia from the West.

[The Mindsweep]

Very scary times

[Long slender neck]

Must have missed our 'nuclear blackmail'.

[Fisch]

Must have missed our 'nuclear blackmail'.

Me too, to what does Putin refer? Any ideas?

This all reminds me of the Cuban thing some 60 odd years ago.