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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:06 pm Piers Morgan questioning Matt Hancock on the morning show, on why 15,000 people are arriving per day from China, U.S ( New York) Spain etc when we are supposed to be on lockdown & He has no answer ..
Shocking state of affairs.

Perhaps they've come here to get a free 'Hancock Badge'.

Childish remark above.

This is about conservative incompetence , not trinket rewards.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:46 pm Childish remark above.

This is about conservative incompetence , not trinket rewards.

Tell Matt Hancock that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 67631.html

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:36 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:46 pm Childish remark above.

This is about conservative incompetence , not trinket rewards.

Tell Matt Hancock that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 67631.html

Why are you praising the Story.party ?

I wasn't aware that I was!

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:06 pm I wasn't aware that I was!

Well condeming 1 f*ck up constantly.( nhs running)
Instead of more than 1 seems to me like you are not trying to
besmirch any other of the F#ck ups rather than jumping on &
publicising all !!

I don't have enough time available to write down all of the cock-ups of the Tory Government(s); particularly since 2010.

Nor can I express, via the written word, my utter contempt for them.

No apology that my contributions have focussed primarily upon the NHS; I happen to think it's the most important aspect of our Society; particularly during these times.

Don't you?

I happen to think Humanity is the most important thing to focus on at anytime .

Something the story party has always failed to deal with

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:47 pm I happen to think Humanity is the most important thing to focus on at anytime .

Something the story party has always failed to deal with

Time for you to be less combative with others then.

We’re all in this together.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:13 pm Lest we forget that as far back as 2008, Helen Whately was working for the healthcare department of McKinsey; the powerful US management consultancy driving the race to replace the NHS with a private, American-style health system.

Her own department proposed the £20 billion cuts in the NHS budget that slashed 137,000 jobs and is still devastating public health today.

https://www.favershameye.co.uk/post/fut ... ed-the-nhs

Yet another despicable Tory creature comes to the fore during this Horror Show.

10,000 vulnerable people recovered from Coronavirus after reading this post. Good job mate

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:56 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:13 pm Lest we forget that as far back as 2008, Helen Whately was working for the healthcare department of McKinsey; the powerful US management consultancy driving the race to replace the NHS with a private, American-style health system.

Her own department proposed the £20 billion cuts in the NHS budget that slashed 137,000 jobs and is still devastating public health today.

https://www.favershameye.co.uk/post/fut ... ed-the-nhs

Yet another despicable Tory creature comes to the fore during this Horror Show.

10,000 vulnerable people recovered from Coronavirus after reading this post. Good job mate

Link?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:41 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:47 pm I happen to think Humanity is the most important thing to focus on at anytime .

Something the story party has always failed to deal with

Time for you to be less combative with others then.

We’re all in this together.

Didnt Dohnut tell you to leave the other board &
Then come over to this one & annoy us instead .

Ok dis

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:59 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:41 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:47 pm I happen to think Humanity is the most important thing to focus on at anytime .

Something the story party has always failed to deal with

Time for you to be less combative with others then.

We’re all in this together.

Didnt Dohnut tell you to leave the other board &
Then come over to this one & annoy us instead .

Ok dis

Who cares what that fella with no sense of empathy for his fellow man says.

Start an argument elsewhere - I won’t be responding further to you.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:52 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:59 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:41 am

Time for you to be less combative with others then.

We’re all in this together.

Didnt Dohnut tell you to leave the other board &
Then come over to this one & annoy us instead .

Ok dis

Who cares what that fella with no sense of empathy for his fellow man says.

Start an argument elsewhere - I won’t be responding further to you.

Yet it was you who responded to my comment .

Be safe & well Des'

BBC report:

Concerns have been raised that updated government guidance on personal protective equipment (PPE) could put hospital staff and patients at risk.
Healthcare workers have been advised to reuse gowns or wear different kit, such as plastic aprons with coveralls, if stocks in England run low.
Unions representing doctors and nurses have expressed concerns about the updated Public Health England guidance.
The government said it is working to provide the PPE stocks hospitals need.
There have been warnings some hospitals could run out of the gowns used in intensive care units this weekend.
Healthcare staff treating patients with Covid-19 have previously been advised to wear long-sleeved disposable fluid-repellent gowns.

It is now very clear; the lives of ordinary people do not matter.

Can these Tories get any more despicable?

Dis whilst I would concur that the government could have moved quicker and secured more stocks earlier, you do realise the whole world wants the same product at the same time and on a scale never seen before?

Is it acceptable? No, but global stocks are low and availability is in short supply. Should they be doing everything they can to get more? Of course. Would you be happy for the government to overpay like the Americans are to secure stocks? Knowing that another person somewhere else in the world could catch it due to their ppe have been taken by the uk?

The government has f*cked up big time, there's no doubt. The PPE, or lack of, has been a National scandal.
Its time for Hancock to resign, and see if someone else can do a better job

It’s not even just lack of purchasing.

They could have instructed all manufacturing companies to get onto it. We’re hearing of companies offering to help but getting no response.

It doesn’t even come down to ideology anymore. It’s just total incompetence, they’re a clueless bunch of chancers from top to bottom.

That's the bit I don't get redo, companies, our own companies offering xyz and not even getting an answer. It's not like the government does not want or need their services or can't afford to buy what they offer at whatever price they want to charge either.

Some serious questions need to be asked when this is over.

Sunday Times destroying the government and Boris in particular tomorrow.

Can’t work out why?

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:44 pm It’s not even just lack of purchasing.

They could have instructed all manufacturing companies to get onto it. We’re hearing of companies offering to help but getting no response.

It doesn’t even come down to ideology anymore. It’s just total incompetence, they’re a clueless bunch of chancers from top to bottom.

It is ideology. The Tories don't claim to have an ideology. They don't have to in normal circumstances ever day life is caplitalism and for enough people it works from day to day.

These aren't normal circumstances. They have made ideological decisions to let the virus kill people. No English/Scottish socialist would ever make that decision.

Their incompetence flows from that - Who makes ventilators? I don't know but direct the people and resources to those who can. Not the start up failures at Dyson and other "Pandemic Entreprenuers". Resources wasted but I bet they still get paid millions.

I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:23 am Sunday Times destroying the government and Boris in particular tomorrow.

Can’t work out why?

Johnson wont take the fall he so deserves. One of the underlings (Raab? Hancock?) will be pushed under the bus.

slacker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:52 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:23 am Sunday Times destroying the government and Boris in particular tomorrow.

Can’t work out why?

Johnson wont take the fall he so deserves. One of the underlings (Raab? Hancock?) will be pushed under the bus.

Hancock for sure. He already has the look of a (political) dead man walking.

My money's on Priti Patel to be next Cabinet member out