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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:19 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:14 pm The level of idiocy these fools are going to to avoid engaging in any meaningful discussion about something that actually is quite serious, is quite bizarre.

Considering Max has accused me of being aligned with the far right, I wonder how he feels about being aligned with the boards biggest moron in tuffers?

Earlier on in the thread when some others engaged. How did you treat them? Since then I haven't seen any others rushing in to "debate" with you.

You can't call Tufft"" """yyy a moron because its clear he is an imbecile.

Awwww Max , I always knew you cared

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:14 pm The level of idiocy these fools are going to to avoid engaging in any meaningful discussion about something that actually is quite serious, is quite bizarre.

Considering Max has accused me of being aligned with the far right, I wonder how he feels about being aligned with the boards biggest moron in tuffers?

Quite serious to whom ?


Here we go 234 ,
I Was going out with a girl ,
her name was Julie

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:37 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:15 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:13 am A few weeks ago I heard from an in-law who is a teacher down south about a pupil 'identifying as a cat' . I immediately doubted the story too. I guess this was what they were talking about.

It never happened.

Childhood is tough enough without the world’s media vilifying you. If a kid wants to identify as a cat, then who cares? If it makes them feel a happier and more fulfilled human being, then why should adult society and the global media bully them over it?

Someone who identifies as a woman wants to be treated as a woman, so how should someone who identifies as a cat be treated?

Very good question.
Another good question is, starting from a position of not knowing whether someone is male or female, what does it mean for a man to treat someone as a woman who isn’t one, and what does it mean for a woman to treat someone as a woman who isn’t one

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:28 pm Very good question.
Another good question is, starting from a position of not knowing whether someone is male or female, what does it mean for a man to treat someone as a woman who isn’t one, and what does it mean for a woman to treat someone as a woman who isn’t one

Starting to see the pattern ,
you dont answer questions you
dont like


Quite Serious to whom ?

What a weird response. I liked Story of O’s question. It’s the right and most pertinent question to ask. I’m sure SofO will clarify if I’ve got it wrong, but it seemed rhetorical, since I’m not the one advocating for “cat identity” so clearly am not the person with a strategy for how to reinforce a kid who presents with one.

Man, this thread is so bizarre.

Avoiding the Question again

The case of Schroedingers Cat continues and the use of yet more lies to attack the beleaguered trans community - An Update.

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:39 am

Either way, it’s kind of separate from gender debates while also being entangled with it. It comes down to affirming mental illnesses, treating a coping strategy for trauma or living with autism as being a defining aspect of a child.

As I said yesterday.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:10 pm The case of Schroedingers Cat continues and the use of yet more lies to attack the beleaguered trans community - An Update.

So there was definitely NO CAT but lots of adults intefering with School Kids ?

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:51 pm My concern on it is this:
The focus on the “cat” part of this story provides some tabloid sensationalism, but also moves the window of what’s OK a bit more towards the mad: eg

“it’s one thing accepting that a boy is a girl, but accepting a kid is a cat? No way”

But the most important fact remains that boys with personalities and interests considered “feminine” are not girls, and that that matters.

Ahem

Maxy must have a client , I'll await his answer patiently .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:02 pm Maxy must have a client , I'll await his answer patiently .

No i have just started and my 1st job is a min fare to be paid by card. FFS!

I was scanning the interspazz for a holiday in 1st week of July. Mrs Gold will be delighted to learn we are going to Beer again for about the millionth time. I like Beer.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:48 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:02 pm Maxy must have a client , I'll await his answer patiently .

No just i have just started and my 1st job is a min fare to je paid by card. FFS!

I was scanning the interspazz for a holiday in 1st week of July. Mrs Gold will be delighted to learn we are going to Beer again for about the millionth time. I like Beer.

Good for you .

Watch this and I defy anyone to be like “yep, that’s a happy person who has found his best life”

It’s so utterly, horribly sad.

https://open.substack.com/pub/voidifrem ... medium=web

Re: “cat” issue - this sums up the whole thing completely.
As I said right at the start; the “cat” is irrelevant

Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Dearie me. You have some catching up to do, Sid.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Indeed Sid .
Budweiser is in huge trouble after using a
cross gender tik tok star.
Bud light cant be given away.
It has been said opinions on gay marriage
there has been made negative
because of an advertising campaign that backfired .

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:18 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Dearie me. You have some catching up to do, Sid.

I have no catching up to do at all. Just puzzles me why so many mocking and hostile comments being directed at a part of the worlds community who are born different to others when it comes to how they feel and look when it comes to their own personal feelings about their sexuality. Surprisingly enough,I can expect the Farage mob to be amongst closed and narrow minded critics but much of the hostility on this forum comes from people who often express left wing views, I always thought they were supposed to be more liberal and open minded in their thoughts, apparently NOT !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:44 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Indeed Sid .
Budweiser is in huge trouble after using a
cross gender tik tok star.
Bud light cant be given away.
It has been said opinions on gay marriage
there has been made negative
because of an advertising campaign that backfired .

I have known ( since young ) people who were born in the wrong sex bodies, men who look and act like women and women who look and act like men, also some born intersex, neither fully male or female. These poor people did not ask to be born like that and years ago were even more vilified for something that was not of their own asking or making.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:44 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Indeed Sid .
Budweiser is in huge trouble after using a
cross gender tik tok star.
Bud light cant be given away.
It has been said opinions on gay marriage
there has been made negative
because of an advertising campaign that backfired .

There but for the grace of god go I.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:27 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:18 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am Why is it that people who are ''Different'' to others are so vilified, mocked and even hated ?
Remember how the brilliant Alan Turing was treated for being gay, end result was that this ''Hero'' was persecuted so much that in the early 1950s he ended up committing suicide. This the fate of a man who's team of Bletchley Park Code Breakers, helped shorten the duration of the second world war.
If the person does not commit a crime or hurt anyone because of their sexuality or the way they choose to dress, then does not matter a jot to me. After all is said and done, if a person is gay or transsexual, it should be just a personal thing.

Dearie me. You have some catching up to do, Sid.

I have no catching up to do at all. Just puzzles me why so many mocking and hostile comments being directed at a part of the worlds community who are born different to others when it comes to how they feel and look when it comes to their own personal feelings about their sexuality. Surprisingly enough,I can expect the Farage mob to be amongst closed and narrow minded critics but much of the hostility on this forum comes from people who often express left wing views, I always thought they were supposed to be more liberal and open minded in their thoughts, apparently NOT !

Yes, as I said, you have some catching up to do. You’re puzzled because you know not the first thing about a left wing, progressive objection to trans activism. The objections (which are not in any way based on mockery, not at all based on the idea people shouldn’t express themselves however they choose) are outlined here clearly.

There’s a word for people who - like you - reach a conclusion about people’s motivations and make assumptions about them without even attempting to understand them; it’s “bigot”.

So forgive me for laughing at your ludicrous, lazy appearance in a thread about a subject you understand nothing about, as if you have anything of note to say.

“I have no catching up to do. I’m just puzzled why left wing people are criticising trans activism, and I have no interest in understanding why”

Astounding laziness

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 am

I have known ( since young ) people who were born in the wrong sex bodies, men who look and act like women and women who look and act like men, also some born intersex, neither fully male or female. These poor people did not ask to be born like that and years ago were even more vilified for something that was not of their own asking or making.

1: not even trans activist organisations use “born in the wrong body” anymore. In fact, they avoid it completely, in favour of seeking to promote the idea (and enshrine it in law) that one’s body is irrelevant to whether someone is a man or woman.

2: “men who act like women”
Your sexism is showing. What does it mean to “act like a woman”? Is it possible that your backwards acceptance that there are male personalities that are actually *womanly* might be regressive and misogynistic?

3: you don’t understand “intersex” conditions - nobody is both male and female, or neither male nor female. Every intersex condition is sex specific. It’s also entirely irrelevant to trans activism


Again, you have some catching up to do.

Perhaps don’t assume you know more than the left wing, progressive man who has wrestled with the subject and took it seriously in order to work out where he stands on it?

Or you can keep spouting irrelevant, outdated, sexist cliches?