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Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:59 am
by Top of the JES
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:20 am
We don't need a Dawson or Vincelot. We need a creative midfielder with an eye for goal to compliment what we have. If we are after Moncur he is a deadball specialist who can pass the ball...............something we haven't had for a few seasons.
You couldn’t of been a fan when they played.
Thanks for your comment - I have been been supporting the club since 1963. But a Dawson or Vincelot are not whats needed a Steve Castle type would be a closer comparison of what we require (remember him or before your time?)
Dawson and Vincelot both good players but we have a squad with an abundance of defensive midfield holding players and literally no box to box creative attacking players and thats what we need to address. Neither Dawson or Vincelot were attacking midfield players although tbf Romain chipped in with one or two. Both energetic ball winners which is really what Clay and Pratley do and to a far lesser extent Coleman and Brown.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:05 pm
by Top of the JES
Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:25 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:56 am
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:59 pm
Will we miss him next season ? No chance we finished mid table in league 2. We need Dawson/vincelot type midfielders to get us up.
Neither of those got us up !!
Peter Kitchen never got us up, but I would not mind his type here
I wonder how Kitch would get on in todays game? by far the best striker I have seen in an O's shirt But those were the days of 4-4-2 you could not imagine him playing as a lone striker.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:20 pm
by Max Fowler
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:59 am
but we have a squad with an abundance of defensive midfield holding players
Do we?
Coleman and Brown is it.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:23 pm
by Top of the JES
Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:20 pm
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:59 am
but we have a squad with an abundance of defensive midfield holding players
Do we?
Coleman and Brown is it.
and Pratley and Clay.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:34 pm
by Max Fowler
Pratley and Clay are not holding defensive midfielders.
They play the engine role.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:47 pm
by Top of the JES
Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:34 pm
Pratley and Clay are not holding defensive midfielders.
They play the engine role.
WTF is an engine role
We play 4-2-3-1 Pratley and Clay play the deeper roles. and allow the front four fairly free license to go forward. At times last season Pratley was alongside our back four (not so much under RW)
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:30 pm
by Max Fowler
We have played a number of formations, of course, but 4-1-2-3 was the most commonly used.
Has someone got a link to the interview RW gave where he talks about how he wants to set our midfield up? It'll help explain things for those that missed it.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:54 pm
by gshaw
Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:30 pm
We have played a number of formations, of course, but 4-1-2-3 was the most commonly used.
Has someone got a link to the interview RW gave where he talks about how he wants to set our midfield up? It'll help explain things for those that missed it.
Think it was on either Orient Hour or Outlook podcast iirc
RW said he wanted to play Pratley further forward so the two I'd like to see come in would be
- competition / improvement on Clay for the ball winner
- creative & goalscoring type either complementing or competing with Pratley
That would then put Brown and Coleman into squad roles, which on basis of what we've seen so far would be about right if we want to be challenging the top 3
There's also the question of where Khan fits into all this. He hasn't really pinned down any particular role, be interesting where RW sees him in his plans.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:55 pm
by Max Fowler
Don't think it was on the Orient shower.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:09 pm
by Orient till I die M
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:59 am
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:20 am
We don't need a Dawson or Vincelot. We need a creative midfielder with an eye for goal to compliment what we have. If we are after Moncur he is a deadball specialist who can pass the ball...............something we haven't had for a few seasons.
You couldn’t of been a fan when they played.
Thanks for your comment - I have been been supporting the club since 1963. But a Dawson or Vincelot are not whats needed a Steve Castle type would be a closer comparison of what we require (remember him or before your time?)
Dawson and Vincelot both good players but we have a squad with an abundance of defensive midfield holding players and literally no box to box creative attacking players and thats what we need to address. Neither Dawson or Vincelot were attacking midfield players although tbf Romain chipped in with one or two. Both energetic ball winners which is really what Clay and Pratley do and to a far lesser extent Coleman and Brown.
Oh no i remember him well thanks, sorry are you ok or did you just compare clay and pratley to vincelot and Dawson ? Or for that matter brown and Coleman
Saying that you have supported them sinse 1963 so the senile comment makes sense now.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:27 pm
by tuffers#1
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:20 am
We don't need a Dawson or Vincelot. We need a creative midfielder with an eye for goal to compliment what we have. If we are after Moncur he is a deadball specialist who can pass the ball...............something we haven't had for a few seasons.
You couldn’t of been a fan when they played.
Again they failed to win promotion
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:09 pm
by Orient till I die M
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:27 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:20 am
We don't need a Dawson or Vincelot. We need a creative midfielder with an eye for goal to compliment what we have. If we are after Moncur he is a deadball specialist who can pass the ball...............something we haven't had for a few seasons.
You couldn’t of been a fan when they played.
Again they failed to win promotion
Got us to a league 1 playoff final and one of the best seasons we have ever had if you remember, lot better than 13th in league 2.
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:28 pm
by tuffers#1
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:09 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:27 pm
Again they failed to win promotion
Got us to a league 1 playoff final and one of the best seasons we have ever had if you remember, lot better than 13th in league 2.
Still failed though . A Championship LOFC may never have been sold to the Italian , we may never experienced T&T or JE & Elation & Grief . Still lets harp back to times we failed !
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:33 pm
by Orient till I die M
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:28 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:09 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:27 pm
Again they failed to win promotion
Got us to a league 1 playoff final and one of the best seasons we have ever had if you remember, lot better than 13th in league 2.
Still failed though . A Championship LOFC may never have been sold to the Italian , we may never experienced T&T or JE & Elation & Grief . Still lets harp back to times we failed !
What the hell are you talking about
we failed this season ?
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:36 pm
by Story of O
Better get rid of the whole squad and start again
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:39 pm
by tuffers#1
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:33 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:28 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:09 pm
Got us to a league 1 playoff final and one of the best seasons we have ever had if you remember, lot better than 13th in league 2.
Still failed though . A Championship LOFC may never have been sold to the Italian , we may never experienced T&T or JE & Elation & Grief . Still lets harp back to times we failed !
What the hell are you talking about
we failed this season ?
Im just responding to your belief that failure is a good season . You need to ask yourself what you are talking about .
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:41 pm
by tuffers#1
Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:36 pm
Better get rid of the whole squad and start again
Really ? You dont trust RW to do his job ?
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:41 pm
by Orient till I die M
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:39 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:33 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:28 pm
Still failed though . A Championship LOFC may never have been sold to the Italian , we may never experienced T&T or JE & Elation & Grief . Still lets harp back to times we failed !
What the hell are you talking about
we failed this season ?
Im just responding to your belief that failure is a good season . You need to ask yourself what you are talking about .
No my point is Dawson and vincelot are better than clay and pratley and getting to the play off final in league 1 is better than finishing 13th in league 2. It’s quite simple although you would argue if someone said it was Saturday tomorrow. Wally
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:46 pm
by tuffers#1
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:41 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:39 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:33 pm
What the hell are you talking about
we failed this season ?
Im just responding to your belief that failure is a good season . You need to ask yourself what you are talking about .
No my point is Dawson and vincelot are better than clay and pratley and getting to the play off final in league 1 is better than finishing 13th in league 2. It’s quite simple although you would argue if someone said it was Saturday tomorrow. Wally
Well if you make your point correctly then I wouldnt have to correct you. Its already Saturday in New Zealand , tomorrow is Sunday .
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:47 pm
by tuffers#1
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:56 am
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:59 pm
Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:51 pm
Didn’t think much of Abrahams. I did think Dalby was a prospect but that was different - he was 17 and played just half a dozen games. Kyp has a couple of seasons under his belt now.
Will we miss him next season ? No chance we finished mid table in league 2. We need Dawson/vincelot type midfielders to get us up.
Neither of those got us up !!
like i had to here !
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm
by Orient till I die M
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:46 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:41 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:39 pm
Im just responding to your belief that failure is a good season . You need to ask yourself what you are talking about .
No my point is Dawson and vincelot are better than clay and pratley and getting to the play off final in league 1 is better than finishing 13th in league 2. It’s quite simple although you would argue if someone said it was Saturday tomorrow. Wally
Well if you make your point correctly then I wouldnt have to correct you. Its already Saturday in New Zealand , tomorrow is Sunday .
Your poor family having to put up with you ( that’s if you have one)
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 pm
by tuffers#1
No one in My Family would make such Naive Statements that would be so easy to destroy .
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:46 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:41 pm
No my point is Dawson and vincelot are better than clay and pratley and getting to the play off final in league 1 is better than finishing 13th in league 2. It’s quite simple although you would argue if someone said it was Saturday tomorrow. Wally
Well if you make your point correctly then I wouldnt have to correct you. Its already Saturday in New Zealand , tomorrow is Sunday .
Your poor family having to put up with you ( that’s if you have one)
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:56 am
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:59 pm
Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:51 pm
Didn’t think much of Abrahams. I did think Dalby was a prospect but that was different - he was 17 and played just half a dozen games. Kyp has a couple of seasons under his belt now.
Will we miss him next season ? No chance we finished mid table in league 2. We need Dawson/vincelot type midfielders to get us up.
Neither of those got us up !!
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:03 pm
by Orient till I die M
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 pm
No one in My Family would make such Naive Statements that would be so easy to destroy .
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:46 pm
Well if you make your point correctly then I wouldnt have to correct you. Its already Saturday in New Zealand , tomorrow is Sunday .
Your poor family having to put up with you ( that’s if you have one)
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:56 am
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:59 pm
Will we miss him next season ? No chance we finished mid table in league 2. We need Dawson/vincelot type midfielders to get us up.
Neither of those got us up !!
Bore of to your ugly made up wife/husband
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:08 pm
by tuffers#1
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:03 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 pm
No one in My Family would make such Naive Statements that would be so easy to destroy .
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm
Your poor family having to put up with you ( that’s if you have one)
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:56 am
Neither of those got us up !!
Bore of to your ugly made up wife/husband
Accept your limits , if you are going to use examples of players winning promotion use jobi ooh terry pizza mam peter allen dave dunmore etc .
Re: Hector
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:10 pm
by Orient till I die M
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:08 pm
Orient till I die M wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:03 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 pm
No one in My Family would make such Naive Statements that would be so easy to destroy .
Bore of to your ugly made up wife/husband
Accept your limits , if you are going to use examles of players winning promotion use jobi ooh terry pizza mam peter allen dave dunmore etc .
I accept your a tw*t
