Independent Leyton Orient Forum

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:42 pm Oh f*** off you rape apologist fool

Where have I said I support him? Your inability to read is really something.

So, if RW wants to sign him on a free for Orient, are we saying Orient shouldn't sign him

Is he still with the woman?

It was dropped because 'a witness' stopped cooperating. Wonder why that could b£?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:46 pm Is he still with the woman?

It was dropped because 'a witness' stopped cooperating. Wonder why that could b£?

Quite a misogynist view. The woman wanted the case dropped because of money, god forbid a woman has a her own mind.

They’re together and now have a child.

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:41 pm So, if RW wants to sign him on a free for Orient, are we saying Orient shouldn't sign him

Of course orient should not sign him. He’s a violent, abusive, rapist

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:57 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:41 pm So, if RW wants to sign him on a free for Orient, are we saying Orient shouldn't sign him

Of course orient should not sign him. He’s a violent, abusive, rapist

That’s libellous

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:58 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:57 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:41 pm So, if RW wants to sign him on a free for Orient, are we saying Orient shouldn't sign him

Of course orient should not sign him. He’s a violent, abusive, rapist

That’s libellous

Oh no, I hope he doesn’t take legal action! If he does I don’t know how I would ever deal with it! I mean, how would I ever demonstrate that calling him a violent abusive rapist was legitimate? Where to start? Oh wait, here you go

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:04 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:58 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:57 pm


Of course orient should not sign him. He’s a violent, abusive, rapist

That’s libellous

Oh no, I hope he doesn’t take legal action! If he does I don’t know how I would ever deal with it! I mean, how would I ever demonstrate that calling him a violent abusive rapist was legitimate? Where to start? Oh wait, here you go

Do you have the full audio? No. That’s a piece of evidence that came out after the fact.

Funny how you’re happy for Greenwood to be dropped but you never mentioned anything about Luke McCormick and Lee Hughes who killed people but carried on their careers.i wonder what the difference between them is

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:56 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:46 pm Is he still with the woman?

It was dropped because 'a witness' stopped cooperating. Wonder why that could b£?

Quite a misogynist view. The woman wanted the case dropped because of money, god forbid a woman has a her own mind.

They’re together and now have a child.

And the woman lived happily ever after with her abusive partner.

Really depressing shes stayed with him.

1: you said I libelled him. I just showed you my defence. I bet you £100 I haven’t been successfully sued for libel by him by this time next year

2: find the Orient board threads about Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick from that time and I guarantee you that I’m on those threads arguing that Orient should definitely not sign them, and suggesting that any club that does is a disgrace.

Try harder, rape apologist.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:12 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:56 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:46 pm Is he still with the woman?

It was dropped because 'a witness' stopped cooperating. Wonder why that could b£?

Quite a misogynist view. The woman wanted the case dropped because of money, god forbid a woman has a her own mind.

They’re together and now have a child.

And the woman lived happily ever after with her abusive partner.

Really depressing shes stayed with him.

Only they know what happens behind closed doors.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:12 pm 1: you said I libelled him. I just showed you my defence. I bet you £100 I haven’t been successfully sued for libel by him by this time next year

2: find the Orient board threads about Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick from that time and I guarantee you that I’m on those threads arguing that Orient should definitely not sign them, and suggesting that any club that does is a disgrace.

Try harder, rape apologist.

You did libel him.

I don’t believe you

Sigh.
1: I’ve just shown you what my defence against a charge of libel would be. I called him an abusive violent rapist on the basis that there is a recording of him being abusive, threatening to rape a woman.
Woah, wonder if my defence would be successful?

2: I don’t care whether you believe me or not, but both those players were discussed at length on the orient board at the time, and I regularly participated on such threads, and did so condemning in strong terms anyone supporting the idea of them joining orient, and any club looking hire a cheap talent. I challenge you to find those threads, if you can’t, then I guess I’ll somehow have to live with the idea that a scummy rape apologist is casting doubt on the idea that I would have behaved in alignment with my typical views that I’ve held and expressed on these boards for 22 years…

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:13 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:12 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:56 pm
Quite a misogynist view. The woman wanted the case dropped because of money, god forbid a woman has a her own mind.

They’re together and now have a child.

And the woman lived happily ever after with her abusive partner.

Really depressing shes stayed with him.

Only they know what happens behind closed doors.

Thanks to what she posted, we all now know.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:20 pm Sigh.
1: I’ve just shown you what my defence against a charge of libel would be. I called him an abusive violent rapist on the basis that there is a recording of him being abusive, threatening to rape a woman.
Woah, wonder if my defence would be successful?

.....

Possibly not a defence as recording only showed him attempting to rape a female - to be on safe side, better call him an "attempted rapist" or a "failed" rapist

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:04 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:58 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:57 pm


Of course orient should not sign him. He’s a violent, abusive, rapist

That’s libellous

Oh no, I hope he doesn’t take legal action! If he does I don’t know how I would ever deal with it! I mean, how would I ever demonstrate that calling him a violent abusive rapist was legitimate? Where to start? Oh wait, here you go

[orange] Yeah, but besides, that, what proof have you got he's a rapist (or failed attempted racist (C) Spen666)? [orange]

Anyone reaching for any type of defence of Greenwood needs to give their head a serious wobble. Can't say I'm surprised that there are those prepared to try and find a defence though. Anyone chuntering on about second chances needs to consider that he's already benefitted from that by not facing criminal charges despite the evidence available.

United have predictably handled this pretty shamefully as well. They've clearly been dipping their toe into the public opinion pool (and put their women's team up for some fearful abuse in the process) before coming to a final decision which appears to be a complete u-turn on their initial choice if some media outlets are to be believed.

Football however is a fairly shameless sport. He'll turn up somewhere and there'll be a long line of fans prepared to defend him, particularly if it's their club he pitches up at.

Yep - and once that club decides it’s worth it, it’ll all be subsumed into awful bantz culture and domestic abuse will be reduced to his portrayal as a pantomime villain (with fans chanting “we know what you are”) and eventually him being PR’d into focusing on the football. It’s grim.

I know life long Man Utd fans that were absolutely planning on walking away from the club if they’d kept him on. There’s a few I definitely think would’ve done, and some who might have wobbled. But seeing people with no connection actually doing the “I’d have him in a heartbeat” and “he’s been found innocent” sh*t is so depressing. On a spurs fan WhatsApp group there’s a couple being like “I’d take him, better than Richarlison”. It’s so sh*t.

Witnessed the same scenario with the David Goodwillie situation at Raith Rovers. Ashamed to say that the Rovers tried to get a player way below his value because he was so untouchable - proud to say that fan action kiboshed the deal - although at considerable cost to the club's reputation.
Goodwillie has been unable to find a club since - even when deals are done the outrage follows him and contracts are torn up. It even followed him to Australia and he was unable to find a club there.

Had the same, predictable, arguments here about his case. Those rape enthusiasts who were keen of signing him (for football reasons, of course, not because "there but for the Grace of God go I" - oh no!) would trot out "he was found not guilty" "he was cleared of all charges" etc - wilfully ignoring the fact that nothing of the sort had happened.

It will be interesting to see whether Greenwood can find himself another club - either in this country or further afield.

Mason Greenwood is a violent, abusive, rapist.

Lynch mob mentality is alive and well

A so called victim is being punished and hurt by the lynch mob and her decision to remain with Greenwood and raise a child with him is being harmed by the lynch mob who are determined to stop her partner from earning a living to support them.

Incredible that people want to undermine the choices made by an alleged victim and to cause her and her family harm because the lynch mob do not like her choice

I’m going to give you enough credit to assume that you don’t expect anyone to take that post seriously

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:22 pm Lynch mob mentality is alive and well

A so called victim is being punished and hurt by the lynch mob and her decision to remain with Greenwood and raise a child with him is being harmed by the lynch mob who are determined to stop her partner from earning a living to support them.

Incredible that people want to undermine the choices made by an alleged victim and to cause her and her family harm because the lynch mob do not like her choice

Given your previous on Epstien, the above comes as no surprise.

It’s not just his previous, it’s his current. It’s on his signature right now if you click his profile

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:26 pm I’m going to give you enough credit to assume that you don’t expect anyone to take that post seriously

If you cannot see the harm you and your fellow lynch mob are causing to the alleged victim by preventing her partner from earning his living.

She has chosen she wants to be with him, who are you and your lynch mob to stop her making that choice.

The charges against Greenwood were dropped because there was insufficient evidence to justify a reasonable prospect of a conviction. Greenwood has no more convictions for sexual offences or domestic violence than you or I. You may not like that, but Greenwood was not convicted of any offences. That was largely because the alleged victim would not support a prosecution and would not give evidence.

Why do you and your lynch mob want to make her suffer by preventing her partner working for a living? The consequences of the lynch mob action in gounding Greenwood out of football is that you will also be making the victim and her child suffer. Are you happy that she is collateral damage in your hate campaign again Greenwood?

Why are you making the alleged victim suffer?

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:34 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:22 pm Lynch mob mentality is alive and well

A so called victim is being punished and hurt by the lynch mob and her decision to remain with Greenwood and raise a child with him is being harmed by the lynch mob who are determined to stop her partner from earning a living to support them.

Incredible that people want to undermine the choices made by an alleged victim and to cause her and her family harm because the lynch mob do not like her choice

Given your previous on Epstien, the above comes as no surprise.

My comments on Epstein were true.

Greenwood has no more convictions for sexual offences or domestic violence than you or anyone on this forum