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Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:01 pm He’s also held his hands up for his racism and apologised.

Rather than trying to pretend it was just ‘banter’.

Weirder and weirder.

George wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:33 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:01 pm He’s also held his hands up for his racism and apologised.

Rather than trying to pretend it was just ‘banter’.

He did Ronnie , but like the others , only after he had been caught.

No, it’s not like the others. The others have decreed what he suffered wasn’t racism, just banter. They haven’t taken responsibility and apologised for their behaviour.

StockholmO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:01 pm He’s also held his hands up for his racism and apologised.

Rather than trying to pretend it was just ‘banter’.

Weirder and weirder.

Oh ffs. Should have known this was coming.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:30 pm

George wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:33 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:01 pm He’s also held his hands up for his racism and apologised.

Rather than trying to pretend it was just ‘banter’.

He did Ronnie , but like the others , only after he had been caught.

No, it’s not like the others. The others have decreed what he suffered wasn’t racism, just banter. They haven’t taken responsibility and apologised for their behaviour.

I think some have , others have yet to do so.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:22 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:57 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:30 pm Azeem has been racist himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59338118

Deep joy. Can’t wait for the inevitable brain fart on here that’ll excuse the racism he (and others) were subjected to because of his own anti Semitic actions.

Spoiler. It’s possible for both to be wrong lads.

Waiting for the they're both as bad as each other takes from that guy

Whoever could you mean?

I haven't got an ounce of sympathy for Rafiq and his double standards, he's a vile rat.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:30 pm Azeem has been racist himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59338118

Gun shoot foot, ya couldn't make it up could ya

Type high wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:56 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:30 pm Azeem has been racist himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59338118

Gun shoot foot, ya couldn't make it up could ya

What
1.side saying Saying there wasn't any Racism
When clearly there was &
Someone else saying yes i did that
I'm sorry for what i did & I wish I never had .

Only thing being made up is Bigots trying to deny they are Bigots.

PutneyO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:54 pm I haven't got an ounce of sympathy for Rafiq and his double standards, he's a vile rat.

Inevitable I suppose that someone would eventually break cover on this once the anti semitism angle was put out there.

Take some time off from here. Either return better educated on this subject or just stay away.

Type high wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:56 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:30 pm Azeem has been racist himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59338118

Gun shoot foot, ya couldn't make it up could ya

And here’s Taxio arriving on the scene. You’ve got previous for this sort of stuff and I’ve been undecided whether or not to let you remain for a while.

Take a moment to help yourself think it through. Rafiq’s admittance doesn’t make a jot of difference to what he has experienced. Please let me know if you need any further help in having it explained to you.

Alternatively, do what you’ve done previously and head off to Mungos and complain about how you’re definitely not a racist over there.

Admin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:10 am

Type high wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:56 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:30 pm Azeem has been racist himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59338118

Gun shoot foot, ya couldn't make it up could ya

And here’s Taxio arriving on the scene. You’ve got previous for this sort of stuff and I’ve been undecided whether or not to let you remain for a while.

Take a moment to help yourself think it through. Rafiq’s admittance doesn’t make a jot of difference to what he has experienced. Please let me know if you need any further help in having it explained to you.

Alternatively, do what you’ve done previously and head off to Mungos and complain about how you’re definitely not a racist over there.

Off course it makes a friggen difference. Don’t be ridiculous.

please explain why it makes no difference.
so are you saying Rafig comment is not racist.

“The morning after my Sky interview, I took a call from Matthew Hoggard,” said the former England Under-19 captain. “He said, ‘I didn’t realise. I’m really sorry the way some of my comments made you feel. I just wanted to apologise for what I said’. I said, ‘Wow, thank you’. All I ever wanted was an apology

His previous comments show he's pretty pro learning and forgiveness when it comes to racism. It isn't difficult to recognise that being an absolute idiot as a teenager isn't the same as an entire clubs culture being racist to the top.

There is also a photo of him doing the rounds with another player both wearing a t-shirt that has P*** Power on the front.

Perhaps they were just reclaiming the word like the N word and like Spurs do with the Y word.

Some of what he has spoken about was truly shocking but some of his allegations like the use of Kevin and Jack Brooks deciding to call Pujara “Steve” are quite loose when trying to define them as racism.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:37 am It isn't difficult to recognise that being an absolute idiot as a teenager isn't the same as an entire clubs culture being racist to the top.

This is difficult to prove one way or another.

Any BAME player released by a county over the last 20 years can claim that it was a decision based on race and as a result ruined his career.

Essex had a player make this claim yesterday. After 11 first class games he had a batting average of 7 and a bowling average of 80 but according to him he was released due to his race!!

Again quite a lot of this stuff has been verified, including by the club itself. It's really not that hard to understand.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:39 am Shame these issues were not raised at the time they occurred. So much time, so much opportunity to sort things out wasted.

Why was that? Maybe time makes them more important. And there’s me thinking the old saying that time is a great healer was true.

Does Compensation heal the hurt? I guess so.

Not really following this story, but didnt those in charge release a report saying he hadnt suffered racism, when he blatantly had?

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:37 am “The morning after my Sky interview, I took a call from Matthew Hoggard,” said the former England Under-19 captain. “He said, ‘I didn’t realise. I’m really sorry the way some of my comments made you feel. I just wanted to apologise for what I said’. I said, ‘Wow, thank you’. All I ever wanted was an apology

His previous comments show he's pretty pro learning and forgiveness when it comes to racism. It isn't difficult to recognise that being an absolute idiot as a teenager isn't the same as an entire clubs culture being racist to the top.

lots off things where said years ago.
its 2021 draw a line under it and move on.

The report that said that racism was just banter came out a few weeks ago.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:09 am The report that said that racism was just banter came out a few weeks ago.

https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/azeem- ... 15106.html

what next.
lives are being ruined.

Brown cricketer suffers from institutional racism during his playing career, racists be like ‘Why didn’t he say something earlier? Why didn’t he leave the club? He’s making it up for the money. It was only banter. It was in the past, we need to stop raking over old ground.’Etc etc

Brown cricketer sends racist messages on social media using lazy tropes, racists be like ‘Racist! Vile rat! Hypocrite’. Etc etc

oxo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:00 am

KVN wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:42 pm If he is from pakistan is it at least not accurate?
Offensive yes but accurate too.

KVN wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:33 pm Is Stani a racist term?

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:31 pm One of those words that everyone will use amongst friends or on whats app but best left there.

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:55 pm The Brits bore these psuedo insults stoically.
But I believe more recent migrants to UK are sensitive Souls and the banter has been dropped.

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:21 pm In some walks of life you just have to put up with being called names.

EliotNes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:05 pm He played for Yorkshire for 10 years. If the culture was so bad, why stay? I would not have.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:39 am Shame these issues were not raised at the time they occurred. So much time, so much opportunity to sort things out wasted.

Why was that? Maybe time makes them more important. And there’s me thinking the old saying that time is a great healer was true.

Does Compensation heal the hurt? I guess so.

I'm pretty new around here, and I have to admit that, at times, I was almost convinced that some of the dodgy chat in the 'taking the knee' thread was a genuine (if misinformed) reaction to perceived political affiliations or some other tangentially related gripe.

The sh*t in this thread is absolutely shocking.

Some troubling apologists and excuses there. Would be interested in the average age of the above posters.

A couple of bans have been issued, just in case it wasnt clear.

Wouldn't be surprised to learn KVN, CE and Dohnut were all the same person.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:47 am Wouldn't be surprised to learn KVN, CE and Dohnut were all the same person.

Me too. I just hope they're not me.

The whole thing has become a can of worms for cricket, and suspect that could easily happen in other walks of life too.

When is banter just that, when is it racialism, when is it plain bullying and not race related, when is the race card being played incorrectly? It’s a very fine line at times, and am sure that many, clearly Azeem Rafiq included, have reflected on personal actions in the past and realised that they have made mistakes and are also open to charges of being hypocritical. I’m all for people living and learning from mistakes and not forever being pilloried for them, but part of that is people realising that what they maybe thought was just blokes being blokes and having a laugh crosses the line of what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour.

I’ve always been of simplistic view that what is racialism/ seen as racialism should already be wrong by the law/ society’s standards anyway. For example listening to Azeem Rafiq relate to red wine being forced down his throat as a teen, it isn’t high jinks, it’s plain wrong and unacceptable bullying, assault even, and I see it as equally wrong regardless of anyone’s race or skin colour or what motivated it.

I guess continued education is the answer.