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LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:22 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:15 pm

LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:36 pm I would be interested to find out the ages of those on here who are vehemently advocating another lockdown.

Probably all OAP's, who have had the freedom to live their lives how they liked and now selfeshly expect younger generations to adhere to tyrannical lockdowns leading to likelihood of job losses, losing housing, break up of family units and increases in mental health issues.

As someone has said if you want to lock yourselves away please do and let the rest of us lead our lives as we see fit

Whether you or I want a lockdown is irrelevant, because if the government want to re introduce one, they will do. At the present levels, there will not be another lockdown, but who knows where Covid numbers will be at Christmas or January!
Germany, I believe is about to go into another lockdown, as is The Netherlands, because of rising numbers. If those figures happen here, then lockdown will happen here too, regardless of if LeytonstoneRed wants it or not.
As for calling the last 2 lockdowns tyranical, thats ridiculous. Thousands were dying every day, the NHS couldnt cope. They wernt tyranical, they were sensible.
You throw the word tyranicl around too lightly. You want to go live in Iran, or North Korea, then you'd know what tyranny really is

The NHS couldn't cope because 50% of bed capacity has been lost over the last 20 years coupled with a 10 million increase in population.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:06 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:05 pm

But will you admit you don't care about others? That you are not willing to wear a mask to protect others?

I didn’t say any of those things. I said to take personal responsibility

Meaning the vulnerable should just keep away from other people indefinitely?

Jack wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:33 pm

LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:22 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:15 pm
Whether you or I want a lockdown is irrelevant, because if the government want to re introduce one, they will do. At the present levels, there will not be another lockdown, but who knows where Covid numbers will be at Christmas or January!
Germany, I believe is about to go into another lockdown, as is The Netherlands, because of rising numbers. If those figures happen here, then lockdown will happen here too, regardless of if LeytonstoneRed wants it or not.
As for calling the last 2 lockdowns tyranical, thats ridiculous. Thousands were dying every day, the NHS couldnt cope. They wernt tyranical, they were sensible.
You throw the word tyranicl around too lightly. You want to go live in Iran, or North Korea, then you'd know what tyranny really is

The NHS couldn't cope because 50% of bed capacity has been lost over the last 20 years coupled with a 10 million increase in population.

So thats why there was a lockdown, and thats why there will be another lockdown in the future, if the same numbers of cases and of deaths occur

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:29 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:06 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 pm

I didn’t say any of those things. I said to take personal responsibility

Meaning the vulnerable should just keep away from other people indefinitely?

I am afraid that from what we know of this virus , yes , that has to happen.

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:05 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:53 pm

Avoid others

But will you admit you don't care about others? That you are not willing to wear a mask to protect others?

I didn’t say any of those things. I said to take personal responsibility

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:29 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:06 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 pm

I didn’t say any of those things. I said to take personal responsibility

Meaning the vulnerable should just keep away from other people indefinitely?

I am afraid that from what we know of this virus , yes , that has to happen.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:47 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:05 pm

But will you admit you don't care about others? That you are not willing to wear a mask to protect others?

I didn’t say any of those things. I said to take personal responsibility

BUT YOU CANT TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR OTHER PEOPLES BEHAVIOUR FFS

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:52 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:29 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:06 pm
Meaning the vulnerable should just keep away from other people indefinitely?

I am afraid that from what we know of this virus , yes , that has to happen.

All so selfish cun*s can go about their business without any restrictions?

Any decisions one makes are not personal. They have an impact on society as a whole.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:01 am What about people who cannot be vaccinated? You are not willing to wear a mask in order to reduce their risk?

George wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:40 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:47 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:15 pm

I didn’t say any of those things. I said to take personal responsibility

BUT YOU CANT TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR OTHER PEOPLES BEHAVIOUR FFS

I’m not taking personal responsibility for others. I’m taking it for myself. Others need to do the same

George wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:46 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:52 pm

George wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:29 pm

I am afraid that from what we know of this virus , yes , that has to happen.

All so selfish cun*s can go about their business without any restrictions?

Any decisions one makes are not personal. They have an impact on society as a whole.

Stop being so pathetic. Vulnerable people are now vaccinated. Vulnerable people were not vaccinated before but still went about their business.
What exactly is it you want. Shut the country down again. And for how long do we have to do that for. And what happens when you consider it safe to open up again. It all happens again.
What miracle do you think will suddenly appear to change this and how long do you think it will be.
The able have to continue to allow the vulnerable to have any sort of life.
Get over it

George wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:16 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:01 am What about people who cannot be vaccinated? You are not willing to wear a mask in order to reduce their risk?

I am not against wearing a mask , no . But what are the numbers of vulnerable people who can’t be vaccinated. I don’t want to guess , but it can’t be many.
Currently the vaccination is the only solution to this awful pandemic. Hopefully an eradication solution will be found soon. But as it is , we have to live with it.
The vaccination gives protection to the vulnerable. Those that can’t be vaccinated will need to do what’s best for themselves. Those that refuse the vaccination will have to accept the consequences.

George wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:55 am All of those steps you advocate slow the spread. They don’t stop the spread. These are short term solutions , not long term fixes .
The science and numbers don’t currently demand any additional measures.

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:38 am Many have said that they will support a lockdown if it is needed, but that a return to mask wearing inside shops/pubs/restaurants (as in Scotland) and on all public transport ought to be used before that stage, preferably right now.

No-one, I believe, (without checking all through this thread) has been demanding a lockdown now.

It makes perfect sense to do "what you can" to try and reduce the spread of the virus in order to avoid the need for lockdown. That I agree with. The wearing of masks is a very small price for all of us to help prevent the spread of the virus and save lives. How can anyone truly argue against that?

George wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:06 am I don’t need anyone to tell me that if I stand to close to someone in a queue I am more at risk from Covid. I already know that.

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:38 am Many have said that they will support a lockdown if it is needed, but that a return to mask wearing inside shops/pubs/restaurants (as in Scotland) and on all public transport ought to be used before that stage, preferably right now.

No-one, I believe, (without checking all through this thread) has been demanding a lockdown now.

It makes perfect sense to do "what you can" to try and reduce the spread of the virus in order to avoid the need for lockdown. That I agree with. The wearing of masks is a very small price for all of us to help prevent the spread of the virus and save lives. How can anyone truly argue against that?