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America is a declining empire, and history shows all empires just before they fall, lash out in s last gasp effort to persuade the world they're still strong and influential.
Fact is America's debt is crippling, and much of it is owed to China.
America is on the way out. In 50 years they will have been surpassed both militarily and economically by China.

Lots of people being wrong on the internet on this thread. But carry on.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:07 am Lots of people being wrong on the internet on this thread. But carry on.

The law of averages and all that . Please God we are wrong because the consequences of all this could be dire .

Is anyone able to post an image of all the US military bases in SE Asia? Makes you think about whom is actually threatening whom. In comparison, is there an image of Chinese military bases that are close to the US mainland?

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:22 am Is anyone able to post an image of all the US military bases in SE Asia? Makes you think about whom is actually threatening whom. In comparison, is there an image of Chinese military bases that are close to the US mainland?

Weapons were removed from Ukraine with the promise of security from the Russians and look what happened. Dont be so deluded.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:55 pm Would be interesting to see if Red and FaldO would be faints a visit if it was trump visiting. Probably be very supportive of the strong leadership Herr Trump showed

Nice Godwin's law deflection...

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:28 am

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:22 am Is anyone able to post an image of all the US military bases in SE Asia? Makes you think about whom is actually threatening whom. In comparison, is there an image of Chinese military bases that are close to the US mainland?

Weapons were removed from Ukraine with the promise of security from the Russians and look what happened. Dont be so deluded.

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Your comparison makes no sense. Keep up the personal insults though.

That countries without a deterrent tend to get invaded.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:41 am That countries without a deterrent tend to get invaded.

Examples please

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:07 am Lots of people being wrong on the internet on this thread. But carry on.

You the expert then?

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:42 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:41 am That countries without a deterrent tend to get invaded.

Examples please

Ukraine.

You said countries

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:42 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:07 am Lots of people being wrong on the internet on this thread. But carry on.

You the expert then?

I don't like to talk about it.

Many years ago, I lived at Hornsey Rise. Hornsey Art College had a (in)famous sit-in etc. Written on the college outer walls was : " Chairman Mao will live 10,000 years "- Well they got that one wrong didn't they?

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:35 am America is a declining empire, and history shows all empires just before they fall, lash out in s last gasp effort to persuade the world they're still strong and influential.
Fact is America's debt is crippling, and much of it is owed to China.
America is on the way out. In 50 years they will have been surpassed both militarily and economically by China.

Do you hope this will happen.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:22 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:35 am America is a declining empire, and history shows all empires just before they fall, lash out in s last gasp effort to persuade the world they're still strong and influential.
Fact is America's debt is crippling, and much of it is owed to China.
America is on the way out. In 50 years they will have been surpassed both militarily and economically by China.

Do you hope this will happen.

Good question. Part of me does. America is the biggest terrorist state the world has ever known.. They have been responsible for changing more governments, that suit them, than you could count.
On the other hand I don't trust the Chinese fully.

Fully

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:10 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:22 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:35 am America is a declining empire, and history shows all empires just before they fall, lash out in s last gasp effort to persuade the world they're still strong and influential.
Fact is America's debt is crippling, and much of it is owed to China.
America is on the way out. In 50 years they will have been surpassed both militarily and economically by China.

Do you hope this will happen.

Good question. Part of me does. America is the biggest terrorist state the world has ever known.. They have been responsible for changing more governments, that suit them, than you could count.
On the other hand I don't trust the Chinese fully.

When did America take the title from the old empire ?

Av very interesting thread. A must read for any budding Sinologists who want to understand more fully the role of American Imperialism.

Boring

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:31 pm Boring

Dunners will love it.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:42 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:31 pm Boring

Dunners will love it.

I did.

I do think the term "American imperialism" is misused and misplaced by people when they talk about Bretton Woods, the Plaza Accords and the role of the US across the world. Especially in the context of the aftermath of WW2.

Take Japan as an example. Here was a brutal imperialist regime that wrecked havoc, death and destruction across the territories it invaded. It over-reached itself when it tried to take on the Americans, who subsequently nuked them into unconditional surrender.

And how did they Americans punish the Japanese for their conduct? By providing the global trade and security framework that enabled them (and those other great war losers, the Germans) with the means to trade their way to a level of prosperity beyond what they would have achieved had they actually won the war. Not a bad punishment, that.

Sure, it wasn't a free meal ticket (it was essentially a bribe to prevent further expansion of the Soviets). It wasn't perfect. But why should it be?

And if it was such a bad deal, why have the Japanese negotiated with both the Trump and Biden administrations for closer strategic partnerships to the point where they are now paying the Americans for trade access and to maintain a military presence? It's because they have concluded that, for better or for worse, the Americans are a better bet than any of the other options.

Anyway, I'm not sure any of this historic stuff is going to matter for too much longer.

If you love America so much, why don’t you buy a second home there?

Second?