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Stamford O wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:02 pm If it pisses down all of a sudden and for next 72 hours or so

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:40 pm Good news is fourth test is at the same ground next week.

banqo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:39 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:40 pm Good news is fourth test is at the same ground next week.

Can't wait, I'll make sure I'm in that morning!!!

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:57 pm

banqo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:39 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:40 pm Good news is fourth test is at the same ground next week.

Can't wait, I'll make sure I'm in that morning!!!

I dont think its day night
So set the alarm early
You might miss it completely

Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:11 pm They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:43 am

Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:11 pm They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

Why would it be ?

Can you explain ?

I'm Not knowledgable about cricket ,
Why would it be reported ?
What is the problem with it ?

Im only asking to expand my knowledge ,
Just dont understand why it would be reported ?
Surely it can be refused if its not acceptable cant it ?

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:26 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:43 am

Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:11 pm They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

Why would it be ?

Can you explain ?

I'm Not knowledgable about cricket ,
Why would it be reported ?
What is the problem with it ?

Im only asking to expand my knowledge ,
Just dont understand why it would be reported ?
Surely it can be refused if its not acceptable cant it ?

Stowaway makes a fair point.

If the umpires or match referee think the pitch wasn’t of the standard required for test cricket they could report it to the International cricket conference the governing body of world cricket, The pitch has to be a fair balance between bat and ball although it’s expected it will deteriorate towards the end of the game as it wears. The last two pitches have been heavily weighted toward spin bowling and have been under prepared the ball should not turn the way it has from day one it should be reasonable to bat on for the first 3 days at least and wear as the game goes on to help the bowlers a bit more. However both-umpires and the match referee are from India (Would normally be neutral but Covid and all that) the ICC is dominated by Indian cricket (a money thing) so nothing is likely to happen. If it were a county game it would definitely have been reported on day one.

Can’t refuse a pitch you play on what’s prepared and you never know how a pitch will play until the game starts.

Was still a horrible batting performance but the game was ruined by a pitch under prepared which was spinner friendly from the start.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:11 am I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:25 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:11 am I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:12 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:25 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:11 am I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

I get the inexperience thing but is it really that big of a deal ?
Axar Patel in only his 2nd test match takes 10 wickets .

Surely its just good players being good players &
Bad players again blaming bad tools ?

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:10 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:12 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:25 am

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

I get the inexperience thing but is it really that big of a deal ?
Axar Patel in only his 2nd test match takes 10 wickets .

Surely its just good players being good players &
Bad players again blaming bad tools ?

Experience/inexperience is very important specially on pitches the like you will only find on the sub continent, it may be Patels second test but he knows how to bowl on those wickets and he bowled very well. In those conditions India are the best in the world that’s why the pitch was (under) prepared as it was it just made the gap wider. If India bring a young side to England they are going to get green pitches that help our seamers but not ones that means it’s basically a 5 session test match.

I have watched test cricket for nearly 50 years but I have never seen pitches that were so poorly prepared. It’s not good for cricket, I wouldn’t pay to go and watch games like that I don’t think many cricket lovers would tbh,it needs to be a more even contest between bat and ball. I expected England to lose this series was pretty gobsmacked we won the first test on a good wicket that turned toward the end, sad that the last two pitches have been so poorly unprepared.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:17 pm Tuffers doing good work here pretending to know nothing about cricket

Stamford O wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:33 pm Green hard pitches mean fast and bouncy
Dusty hard pitches slow and low.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:20 pm Just seen the pitch it’s very green, hopefully that’s a good sign for our seemers.