Cricket A bad workman blaming the tools ?

[Stamford O]

If it pisses down all of a sudden and for next 72 hours or so

[tuffers#1]

If it pisses down all of a sudden and for next 72 hours or so

🌦⛈🌧🌦⛈

[tuffers#1]

49- 0
Winning eith a Six

[banqo]

Good news is fourth test is at the same ground next week.

Can't wait, I'll make sure I'm in that morning!!!

[tuffers#1]

Good news is fourth test is at the same ground next week.

Can't wait, I'll make sure I'm in that morning!!!

I dont think its day night
So set the alarm early
You might miss it completely

[banqo]

Good news is fourth test is at the same ground next week.

Can't wait, I'll make sure I'm in that morning!!!

I dont think its day night
So set the alarm early
You might miss it completely

Oh yeah, good point, better be up by 5,might miss our first innings.

[Stamford O]

Less than 10 runs for each wicket!

[Stowaway]

They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

[tuffers#1]

They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

Why would it be ?

Can you explain ?

I'm Not knowledgable about cricket ,
Why would it be reported ?
What is the problem with it ?

Im only asking to expand my knowledge ,
Just dont understand why it would be reported ?
Surely it can be refused if its not acceptable cant it ?

[Top of the JES]

They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

Why would it be ?

Can you explain ?

I'm Not knowledgable about cricket ,
Why would it be reported ?
What is the problem with it ?

Im only asking to expand my knowledge ,
Just dont understand why it would be reported ?
Surely it can be refused if its not acceptable cant it ?

Stowaway makes a fair point.

If the umpires or match referee think the pitch wasn’t of the standard required for test cricket they could report it to the International cricket conference the governing body of world cricket, The pitch has to be a fair balance between bat and ball although it’s expected it will deteriorate towards the end of the game as it wears. The last two pitches have been heavily weighted toward spin bowling and have been under prepared the ball should not turn the way it has from day one it should be reasonable to bat on for the first 3 days at least and wear as the game goes on to help the bowlers a bit more. However both-umpires and the match referee are from India (Would normally be neutral but Covid and all that) the ICC is dominated by Indian cricket (a money thing) so nothing is likely to happen. If it were a county game it would definitely have been reported on day one.

Can’t refuse a pitch you play on what’s prepared and you never know how a pitch will play until the game starts.

Was still a horrible batting performance but the game was ruined by a pitch under prepared which was spinner friendly from the start.

[tuffers#1]

They might as well have played in the gravel car park outside, the wicket was that bad. I’ve no problem with countries preparing a wicket that suits their players but that wicket wasn’t fit for an under-fives game. Under normal circumstances that pitch would be reported to the ICC but seeing as its dominated by the Indian CC nothing would happen anyway. And before anyone accuses me of sour grapes, bear in mind that even the team that plays that kind of pitch better than anyone only managed 149 against England’s one spinner and the captain who thought he might as well have a go himself. The whole game was a farce.

Why would it be ?

Can you explain ?

I'm Not knowledgable about cricket ,
Why would it be reported ?
What is the problem with it ?

Im only asking to expand my knowledge ,
Just dont understand why it would be reported ?
Surely it can be refused if its not acceptable cant it ?

Stowaway makes a fair point.

If the umpires or match referee think the pitch wasn’t of the standard required for test cricket they could report it to the International cricket conference the governing body of world cricket, The pitch has to be a fair balance between bat and ball although it’s expected it will deteriorate towards the end of the game as it wears. The last two pitches have been heavily weighted toward spin bowling and have been under prepared the ball should not turn the way it has from day one it should be reasonable to bat on for the first 3 days at least and wear as the game goes on to help the bowlers a bit more. However both-umpires and the match referee are from India (Would normally be neutral but Covid and all that) the ICC is dominated by Indian cricket (a money thing) so nothing is likely to happen. If it were a county game it would definitely have been reported on day one.

Can’t refuse a pitch you play on what’s prepared and you never know how a pitch will play until the game starts.

Was still a horrible batting performance but the game was ruined by a pitch under prepared which was spinner friendly from the start.

Hmmm

But Joe Root said
It was as much to do with the Ball
Than the Wicket .

Its an Interesting one really

[Top of the JES]

I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

[StillSpike]

I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

[Stamford O]

If we played with the mindset of a One day game we would probably get to 250 to 350 without thinking about it.not how test cricket should be played tho but gives us a chance.

[tuffers#1]

I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

I get the inexperience thing but is it really that big of a deal ?
Axar Patel in only his 2nd test match takes 10 wickets .

Surely its just good players being good players &
Bad players again blaming bad tools ?

[StillSpike]

I don't understand the point you're
making in response
to my post

[tuffers#1]

Thats the 2nd time thats happened

The board keeps jumping for me lateley
I managed to delete it the first time it happened .i was answering JES ,
Then it wouldnt post so i refreshed & it landed on your post instead of on JES .

I might have to clear all my cookies as it can take an age just to go to a different thread

[Top of the JES]

I take his point about the ball it would have been a much better contest with that ball on a better pitch, any cricket ball would have spun on that pitch, I think the issue with the ball was that it stayed harder than a normal red ball and so sometimes turned and other times skidded on it was just heavily loaded towards the bowlers. Acid test will be next week with a red ball. I doubt it will skid on as much with the red ball my guess is it will again turn square from day one.

Root has to be diplomatic in his comments, he’s right in as much as I have said all along the batting is inexperienced in those conditions and had to be better but telling that India’s batting also fell apart because of the pitch first time around. All eyes will be on the pitch next week to see how it’s prepared. I just want to see a decent test match to be honest.

I also agree that the umpiring (third umpire excepted) has been very good, they have got most things right, difficult to umpire when the ball is doing a lot.

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

I get the inexperience thing but is it really that big of a deal ?
Axar Patel in only his 2nd test match takes 10 wickets .

Surely its just good players being good players &
Bad players again blaming bad tools ?

Experience/inexperience is very important specially on pitches the like you will only find on the sub continent, it may be Patels second test but he knows how to bowl on those wickets and he bowled very well. In those conditions India are the best in the world that’s why the pitch was (under) prepared as it was it just made the gap wider. If India bring a young side to England they are going to get green pitches that help our seamers but not ones that means it’s basically a 5 session test match.

I have watched test cricket for nearly 50 years but I have never seen pitches that were so poorly prepared. It’s not good for cricket, I wouldn’t pay to go and watch games like that I don’t think many cricket lovers would tbh,it needs to be a more even contest between bat and ball. I expected England to lose this series was pretty gobsmacked we won the first test on a good wicket that turned toward the end, sad that the last two pitches have been so poorly unprepared.

[Ornchurch]

Tuffers doing good work here pretending to know nothing about cricket

[tuffers#1]

I'm with you on this. I'm not really bothered if England win a Test Match - I tend to think that there's little other than "bragging rights" riding on Test Cricket - it's not as if there's promotion and relegation - different grounds to visit next season etc like in club football. Of course it's nice if your team wins (especially if there's some needle in the game) but it's not the be-all-and-end-all, I just look forward to settling down to watch a good match.

I was really looking forward to being able to watch 4 or 5 days of test cricket with this day/night match - given the better start time than the other matches this winter. I feel really short changed that the whole thing finished in under 2 days

I get the inexperience thing but is it really that big of a deal ?
Axar Patel in only his 2nd test match takes 10 wickets .

Surely its just good players being good players &
Bad players again blaming bad tools ?

Experience/inexperience is very important specially on pitches the like you will only find on the sub continent, it may be Patels second test but he knows how to bowl on those wickets and he bowled very well. In those conditions India are the best in the world that’s why the pitch was (under) prepared as it was it just made the gap wider. If India bring a young side to England they are going to get green pitches that help our seamers but not ones that means it’s basically a 5 session test match.

I have watched test cricket for nearly 50 years but I have never seen pitches that were so poorly prepared. It’s not good for cricket, I wouldn’t pay to go and watch games like that I don’t think many cricket lovers would tbh,it needs to be a more even contest between bat and ball. I expected England to lose this series was pretty gobsmacked we won the first test on a good wicket that turned toward the end, sad that the last two pitches have been so poorly unprepared.

So do we then ignore results of all
Tests in England as the pitches are a bit specialised .
Other than New.Zealand , every other test playing Nation
Lives in exceptionally Hot Climates .

[Top of the JES]

No because the pitches in the games you have watched are just extreme cases, different climates different conditions normally its just an accepted part of the game that wherever you play conditions favour the home side. There is variation from ground to ground it’s when you get a test match that ends in less than two days that eyebrows are raised. We played two tests in Sri Lanka prior to this tour conditions similar to India both tests went into day five, the pitches were pretty good spinning as the game drew on but nowhere near the extent of the last two pitches.

[tuffers#1]

Tuffers doing good work here pretending to know nothing about cricket

Genuinely other than 11 a side & most runs wins ,
I havent a clue about the differences between
Pitches & stuff .

Take for example the west Indies of the 70s
Hot weather hard pitches
Very few spinners

India
Hot weather
I presume Hard pitches
Lots of spinners
It makes very little sense to me so i like to question
So i can learn from knowledgeable fans like JES & Co .

Thor tries but usually just sets me back again .

[Stamford O]

Green hard pitches mean fast and bouncy
Dusty hard pitches slow and low.

[tuffers#1]

Are you sure

Green hard pitches mean fast and bouncy
Dusty hard pitches slow and low.

Just seen the pitch it’s very green, hopefully that’s a good sign for our seemers.

Not sure it was dry & dusty
Expert Analysis maybe needed .

[Stowaway]

As a comparison, when Essex played their final game against Somerset at Taunton a couple of years back in the title decider, Somerset prepared an absolute dog of a wicket to try and force a result, their only hope of winning the title. Essex drew the game and won the title, but the pitch was reported by the umpires as being below standard, and Somerset were duly deducted points, meaning that Essex won the title by a greater margin, despite the season being over.