Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:13 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:02 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:54 am
What’s that got to do with the pros and cons of a Academy?

He hasnt made profit on his 2 clubs yet
1 of which he has been involved in since 2006.

You keep saying why waste money on an academy ,
Well why waste money not having one .

Well it all depends on using your resources effectively.
He decided to dump the Academy and has made a profit 100 m on transfers as well as making Brentford a top 6 Championship side.
He wouldn’t have done that by bringing through his own players because the best ones would have been nicked before making the first team.

Milano wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:13 am Still waiting for a view of how the cap can be dodged. Isn't there something about directors' gifts (or sponsorship perhaps) which artificially raises the declared income of the club thus raising the spending threshold?

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:24 am Almost certainly illegal anyway.
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/sala ... uth-574179

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:40 am Once this nonsense is kicked out will will have a premiership 2 in what is now the Championship.
If clubs want to overspend them let them get on with it, if they go bust relegate them at least two divisions.
Let the market find its level.
This ridiculous interfering never works.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:40 am Once this nonsense is kicked out will will have a premiership 2 in what is now the Championship.
If clubs want to overspend them let them get on with it, if they go bust relegate them at least two divisions.
Let the market find its level.
This ridiculous interfering never works.

Looks like I was right.
How anybody thought this wage cap nonsense would stand beggars belief.

gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:10 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:40 am Once this nonsense is kicked out will will have a premiership 2 in what is now the Championship.
If clubs want to overspend them let them get on with it, if they go bust relegate them at least two divisions.
Let the market find its level.
This ridiculous interfering never works.

Looks like I was right.
How anybody thought this wage cap nonsense would stand beggars belief.

Trouble is that doesn't happen, look at the Sheffield Wednesday FFP shambles for how it works in practice.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:27 pm I started this thread, several weeks ago, and im delighted the salary cap looks like its dead & buried.
We have more chance of resigning Danny Johnston for example, because we can pay him more now

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:33 pm Who is Johnston?

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:27 pm I started this thread, several weeks ago, and im delighted the salary cap looks like its dead & buried.
We have more chance of resigning Danny Johnston for example, because we can pay him more now

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:37 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:33 pm Who is Johnston?

Nobody likes a smart arse

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:27 pm I started this thread, several weeks ago, and im delighted the salary cap looks like its dead & buried.
We have more chance of resigning Danny Johnston for example, because we can pay him more now

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:43 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:27 pm I started this thread, several weeks ago, and im delighted the salary cap looks like its dead & buried.
We have more chance of resigning Danny Johnston for example, because we can pay him more now

I would say that this also means there is now less chance of us resigning our better players, because the clubs in League One can now offer more money as well to play higher - Alot more than what we can probably offer being in League Two.

I will be very suprised if Vigouroux, Happe, Brophy, Johnson and probably Wilkinson aren't playing in League One next year because they'll be offered better deals to make the step up and test themselves higher.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:08 am

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:43 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:27 pm I started this thread, several weeks ago, and im delighted the salary cap looks like its dead & buried.
We have more chance of resigning Danny Johnston for example, because we can pay him more now

I would say that this also means there is now less chance of us resigning our better players, because the clubs in League One can now offer more money as well to play higher - Alot more than what we can probably offer being in League Two.

I will be very suprised if Vigouroux, Happe, Brophy, Johnson and probably Wilkinson aren't playing in League One next year because they'll be offered better deals to make the step up and test themselves higher.

Yep, exactly. It's very short sighted to say no cap means we have more chance of keeping players when the number of potential suitors for their services has just significantly increased along with what they can offer. Our strategy up til now has probably been to play hardball because of the cap and that leverage has now gone.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:41 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:08 am

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:43 am
I would say that this also means there is now less chance of us resigning our better players, because the clubs in League One can now offer more money as well to play higher - Alot more than what we can probably offer being in League Two.

I will be very suprised if Vigouroux, Happe, Brophy, Johnson and probably Wilkinson aren't playing in League One next year because they'll be offered better deals to make the step up and test themselves higher.

Yep, exactly. It's very short sighted to say no cap means we have more chance of keeping players when the number of potential suitors for their services has just significantly increased along with what they can offer. Our strategy up til now has probably been to play hardball because of the cap and that leverage has now gone.

You make a lot of assumptions there
first of all Vigouroux is under contract already until summer 0f 2022. Of the rest whose contracts expire in summer 2021, why do you assume League 1 clubs will want them all?
I think many clubs in league 1, couldnt pay as much as Orient anyway......we are one of the wealthiest clubs in league 2. Im sure we can re-sign some of our out of contract players.
A club never re-signs all the out of contract players anyway, because some like to move on, but we will sign some of them.
The wage cap is pure wrong....to limit what a man can earn in leagues one & two, while Premier League players earn up to ½ million pounds a week is plain wrong
The only ones not happy will be Travis & co, as they will have to pay more to keep, and buy decent players, in order to get us up to league 1 again

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:41 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:08 am

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:43 am
I would say that this also means there is now less chance of us resigning our better players, because the clubs in League One can now offer more money as well to play higher - Alot more than what we can probably offer being in League Two.

I will be very suprised if Vigouroux, Happe, Brophy, Johnson and probably Wilkinson aren't playing in League One next year because they'll be offered better deals to make the step up and test themselves higher.

Yep, exactly. It's very short sighted to say no cap means we have more chance of keeping players when the number of potential suitors for their services has just significantly increased along with what they can offer. Our strategy up til now has probably been to play hardball because of the cap and that leverage has now gone.

You make a lot of assumptions there
first of all Vigouroux is under contract already until summer 0f 2022. Of the rest whose contracts expire in summer 2021, why do you assume League 1 clubs will want them all?
I think many clubs in league 1, couldnt pay as much as Orient anyway......we are one of the wealthiest clubs in league 2. Im sure we can re-sign some of our out of contract players.
A club never re-signs all the out of contract players anyway, because some like to move on, but we will sign some of them.
The wage cap is pure wrong....to limit what a man can earn in leagues one & two, while Premier League players earn up to ½ million pounds a week is plain wrong
The only ones not happy will be Travis & co, as they will have to pay more to keep, and buy decent players, in order to get us up to league 1 again

Still wrong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:04 am To be honest, if we get promoted to league one the wages will go up but the home gate will be much the same.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:41 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:08 am

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:43 am
I would say that this also means there is now less chance of us resigning our better players, because the clubs in League One can now offer more money as well to play higher - Alot more than what we can probably offer being in League Two.

I will be very suprised if Vigouroux, Happe, Brophy, Johnson and probably Wilkinson aren't playing in League One next year because they'll be offered better deals to make the step up and test themselves higher.

Yep, exactly. It's very short sighted to say no cap means we have more chance of keeping players when the number of potential suitors for their services has just significantly increased along with what they can offer. Our strategy up til now has probably been to play hardball because of the cap and that leverage has now gone.

You make a lot of assumptions there
first of all Vigouroux is under contract already until summer 0f 2022. Of the rest whose contracts expire in summer 2021, why do you assume League 1 clubs will want them all?
I think many clubs in league 1, couldnt pay as much as Orient anyway......we are one of the wealthiest clubs in league 2. Im sure we can re-sign some of our out of contract players.
A club never re-signs all the out of contract players anyway, because some like to move on, but we will sign some of them.
The wage cap is pure wrong....to limit what a man can earn in leagues one & two, while Premier League players earn up to ½ million pounds a week is plain wrong
The only ones not happy will be Travis & co, as they will have to pay more to keep, and buy decent players, in order to get us up to league 1 again

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:29 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:04 am To be honest, if we get promoted to league one the wages will go up but the home gate will be much the same.

There would be more away support which would bump up the average

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:07 pm Which we have done before

Still wrong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:20 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:07 pm Which we have done before

True it will bring a bit more money in, the trouble is we need to attract the locals in large numbers, but history tells us that is impossible.