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Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:03 pm
by Long slender neck
gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:45 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:52 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:19 pm
The failure by Ling to get the Adams signing sorted followed by Gorman, Alabi and not getting a CM in January made it a lot harder for sure. That just highlights what a good manager JE was to manage to get us over the line in a completely un-Orient-esque way.
Who cares how you win, as long as you win that's what matters... or seemingly not these days as developing the careers of Embleton & co seems to be the main priority.
JE ditched 442 towards the end of that season too though didn't he? But when he does it, it's because he's a 'good manager'.
Context is key if you remember back.
- had lost Koroma to injury over the Xmas period, nullifying our attacking threat as Alabi was hopeless
- Jobi was struggling and as we now know pushing himself above and beyond to even keep playing
- CM was our weak spot but we had a group of solid defenders
- we had a lead at the top to protect having put ourselves there through attacking 4-4-2
- dropped Ling for Turley to get some pace and aggression at RB
Now contract to Embleton's approach at the start of his reign and in some areas still now...
- cautious, nervous football sideways and backwards
- attacking threat regularly moved to LB
- respect / praise the opposition at all times to the point of being scared of them (Swindon last season)
So yes JE changed it up to get us over the line with tiring legs and injuries, making the best of whatever he had available to win a title. Are we seeing the best of this group we have now? Debatable...
When the players are let off the leash they show they are capable of decent attacking play (Bolton) but sadly it's few and far between.
You're comparing different things. Doesn't make much sense.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:07 pm
by Still wrong
Adz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:59 pm
This thread seems to have boiled down to NT is the problem because he won't sack ML who is the real problem.
Does anyone on here actually have a clue what ML does on a day to day basis, because I highly doubt it? If NT needs him it's fair to assume his role is important to the running of the club. NT is a smart businessman not some mug off the street who has just inherited a load of money
Well maybe not that smart that they take a age to interview people, and then pick a candidate Who would not have got a managers job with any other league club, and then sack him and pay him off after a month.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:13 pm
by PoundhillO
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:07 pm
Adz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:59 pm
This thread seems to have boiled down to NT is the problem because he won't sack ML who is the real problem.
Does anyone on here actually have a clue what ML does on a day to day basis, because I highly doubt it? If NT needs him it's fair to assume his role is important to the running of the club. NT is a smart businessman not some mug off the street who has just inherited a load of money
Well maybe not that smart that they take a age to interview people, and then pick a candidate Who would not have got a managers job with any other league club, and then sack him and pay him off after a month.
Spot on , nail on the head . Nobody with an ounce of sense can argue against that point.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:18 pm
by Orient_Man_And_Boy
The only ‘problem’ with NT/KT is that they are not communicating their thoughts on how they will develop the club .... and, sure as day follows night, they don’t damn have to. It’s their club, regardless of ‘fan ownership’.
They will have shared private thoughts on the results, relative to (a) their plan, (b) other teams, and (c) C-19. And thence thought out the necessary succession planning.
If they hadn’t, we would have already seen a repeat of the pathetic, knee-jerk ‘management’ enacted by a certain Italian.
The middle of the C-19 sh!t-storm is not the time to be throwing rocks into the pond BUT their patience will have a limit; then we will see their metal.
As I said many times during my career, ‘Any fool can lead a team during the good times but it takes a true leader during the bad times’.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:20 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:02 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:33 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:27 pm
The old fire station was on the same side as the bank.
Are you back on the sauce again Tuffers?
Yes the barcalys was just below the old fire station on forest road
Both were opposite the gym but on the same side as the builders merchants.
You obviously are on the baileys as you cant read very well .
I admit, I do struggle with your form of English.
You mean further down the road?
Right.
Well it is a very strange language .
I see why the Americans change so much of it .
Anyway can we hear more stories about how much of
A hard b*stard Terry Hurlock was & you needing to gain dutch courage
To talk to him , or has the story about the 2 brothers who " owned " that part of
E17 put them to bed for good ?
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:20 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:02 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:33 pm
Yes the barcalys was just below the old fire station on forest road
Both were opposite the gym but on the same side as the builders merchants.
You obviously are on the baileys as you cant read very well .
I admit, I do struggle with your form of English.
You mean further down the road?
Right.
Well it is a very strange language .
I see why the Americans change so much of it .
Anyway can we hear more stories about how much of
A hard b*stard Terry Hurlock was & you needing to gain dutch courage
To talk to him , or has the story about the 2 brothers who " owned " that part of
E17 put them to bed for good ?
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:20 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:02 pm
I admit, I do struggle with your form of English.
You mean further down the road?
Right.
Well it is a very strange language .
I see why the Americans change so much of it .
Anyway can we hear more stories about how much of
A hard b*stard Terry Hurlock was & you needing to gain dutch courage
To talk to him , or has the story about the 2 brothers who " owned " that part of
E17 put them to bed for good ?
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Nope same 1st letter though.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
by O my gawd
Going off piste for the moment, my mate noticed on the stream that Gary Waddock was in Cambridge's dugout as Assistant.
Nothing against Danny Senda, wouldn't someone like him have been a more experienced old head to help Ross ?
I think an old head would be better as a no. 2 rather than bring in someone like Holloway or Slade as a no. 1
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:35 pm
by Still wrong
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:13 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:07 pm
Adz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:59 pm
This thread seems to have boiled down to NT is the problem because he won't sack ML who is the real problem.
Does anyone on here actually have a clue what ML does on a day to day basis, because I highly doubt it? If NT needs him it's fair to assume his role is important to the running of the club. NT is a smart businessman not some mug off the street who has just inherited a load of money
Well maybe not that smart that they take a age to interview people, and then pick a candidate Who would not have got a managers job with any other league club, and then sack him and pay him off after a month.
Spot on , nail on the head . Nobody with an ounce of sense can argue against that point.
It just didn’t make any sense why they thought Fletcher was the answer.
They might as well as kept Ross in the job and publicly supported him.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:37 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:20 pm
Well it is a very strange language .
I see why the Americans change so much of it .
Anyway can we hear more stories about how much of
A hard b*stard Terry Hurlock was & you needing to gain dutch courage
To talk to him , or has the story about the 2 brothers who " owned " that part of
E17 put them to bed for good ?
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Nope same 1st letter though.
Stop teasing.
Who?
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:41 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:37 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Nope same 1st letter though.
Stop teasing.
Who?
Nah your alright
If you know you know &
Therefore know not to bandy names about willy nilly
Still you crack on talking of hard men .
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:44 pm
by Oiram
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:20 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:02 pm
I admit, I do struggle with your form of English.
You mean further down the road?
Right.
Well it is a very strange language .
I see why the Americans change so much of it .
Anyway can we hear more stories about how much of
A hard b*stard Terry Hurlock was & you needing to gain dutch courage
To talk to him , or has the story about the 2 brothers who " owned " that part of
E17 put them to bed for good ?
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Chuckle
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:44 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:41 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:37 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Nope same 1st letter though.
Stop teasing.
Who?
Nah your alright
If you know you know &
Therefore know not to bandy names about willy nilly
Still you crack on talking of hard men .
A figment of your imagination.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:48 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:44 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:41 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:37 pm
Stop teasing.
Who?
Nah your alright
If you know you know &
Therefore know not to bandy names about willy nilly
Still you crack on talking of hard men .
A figment of your imagination.
Id introduce you to them if you were brave enough .
But if i told them you think they are a figment of my imagination
Im not sure what else i could do for you .
Id be out the door running for my own life because i bought
An absolute
to see them.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:49 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:20 pm
Well it is a very strange language .
I see why the Americans change so much of it .
Anyway can we hear more stories about how much of
A hard b*stard Terry Hurlock was & you needing to gain dutch courage
To talk to him , or has the story about the 2 brothers who " owned " that part of
E17 put them to bed for good ?
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Nope same 1st letter though.
Khan?
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:51 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:31 pm
These brothers, were they called Kray?
Nope same 1st letter though.
Khan?
Nope
White English
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:02 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:48 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:44 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:41 pm
Nah your alright
If you know you know &
Therefore know not to bandy names about willy nilly
Still you crack on talking of hard men .
A figment of your imagination.
Id introduce you to them if you were brave enough .
But if i told them you think they are a figment of my imagination
Im not sure what else i could do for you .
Id be out the door running for my own life because i bought
An absolute
to see them.
That will make two then.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:03 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:51 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Nope same 1st letter though.
Khan?
Nope
White English
The Kennedy brothers?
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:12 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:02 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:48 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:44 pm
A figment of your imagination.
Id introduce you to them if you were brave enough .
But if i told them you think they are a figment of my imagination
Im not sure what else i could do for you .
Id be out the door running for my own life because i bought
An absolute
to see them.
That will make two then.
Why you bringing a friend ?
Ive known them for years & although they know my face
They would think twice about ending mine or anyone esles life
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:13 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:03 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:51 pm
Nope
White English
The Kennedy brothers?
I can see its really bugging you not knowing .
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:17 pm
by Still wrong
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:13 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:03 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:51 pm
Nope
White English
The Kennedy brothers?
I can see its really bugging you not knowing .
I know your spelling is not the best......
What about the Kichardsons.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:19 pm
by tuffers#1
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:17 pm
I know your spelling is not the best......
What about the Kichardsons.
As i said you either know or you dont
Why dont you give your Mate terry the hard man a bell & ask him about 2 brothers in e17
Who have a bit of a nasty reputation , owned a builders merchant & a gym.
Im sure he'll be able to tell ya
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:56 pm
by Thor
If it’s who I think you’re referring too Tuffers one of them is dead now.
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:58 pm
by tuffers#1
Thor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:56 pm
If it’s who I think you’re referring too Tuffers one of them is dead now.
Well name them thorby you might be right
You might be wrong
Re: Nigel Travis is the Problem......
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:15 pm
by Thor
First initial D surname K which you’d use to open a door.
to see them.
