Independent Leyton Orient Forum

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:44 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:02 pm

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:55 pm

Nice chip shop in Dereham next to the Cinema.
Bet it is still there. Hope the Cinema is also and surviving the lockdowns.

Chip shop under new owners from about a year back, but still doing a roaring trade, and yes cinema still there

Nice to hear that! Used to go there regularly to shop, especially market day. Nice coffee in that old Portuguese cafe that has been there years. I had a holiday home near Bawdeswell
for years. Do miss going there, may buy another one day. So easy to get there from the hustle and bustle of London. Always enjoyed Christmas up there and the Kings Arms in Reepham.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:01 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:13 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm

It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.

Not sure that contradicts anything Max said.

Interestingly you’ve said in one line that people should have free speech, and in the next you’ve said you’d want someone arrested for doing so!?

To clarify it always has to be free speech within the law, one can't go around threatening and abusing people for example, that's just wrong and is an offence (and rightly so). Booing isn't an offence, it is an expression of disagreement, and that right to free speech (within the law) must be maintained. I’d suggest existing laws on race and free speech are good enough, let’s not try to rewrite them for within football grounds.

Fair enough, I guess.

People have the right to boo an anti racism gesture. But the delicate little snowflakes shouldn’t take offence when people call them racist c***s.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:01 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:13 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm

It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.

Not sure that contradicts anything Max said.

Interestingly you’ve said in one line that people should have free speech, and in the next you’ve said you’d want someone arrested for doing so!?

To clarify it always has to be free speech within the law, one can't go around threatening and abusing people for example, that's just wrong and is an offence (and rightly so). Booing isn't an offence, it is an expression of disagreement, and that right to free speech (within the law) must be maintained. I’d suggest existing laws on race and free speech are good enough, let’s not try to rewrite them for within football grounds.

As ronnie said, thats fair enough but the same people seem to be upset about others free speech in calling them racists, closet or otherwise.

And in this case, it isn't about the law. A company has stipulated rules you agree to upon entering the ground. Much like I have right of free movement, but cant just run on the pitch when Sam Ling scores a volley, I can also legally take photos of almost anything with my 50mm lens, but if i did it in the ground I would be told not to.

Is that restricting some of my rights? Probably but the rules are there for a reason. Boo and you get yanked out of the ground, end of.

I can’t wait until we next get to a Wembley final so I can boo the National anthem. There’s no place for politics in sport.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:13 am
Fair enough, I guess.

People have the right to boo an anti racism gesture. But the delicate little snowflakes shouldn’t take offence when people call them racist c***s.

These are the statements that make me laugh.

Generic booing is not acceptable but direct verbal abuse is

How is booing an act of protest against racism in any way generic?

It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:49 am How is booing an act of protest against racism in any way generic?

It isn't.

Sickening to see tortured and twisted free speech based arguments used to advocate the right for racists to be racist.

It's not showing any respect for the black community and is simply a gesture to send the message that they are still less than a white man.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

RACIST LIVES MATTER

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:48 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

RACIST LIVES MATTER

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:48 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

RACIST LIVES MATTER

ALL RACIST LIVES MATTER

I really can't be bothered to read through this thread so, five pages in, who's winning the argument so far?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 am

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:50 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:52 pm

Sorry and thanks, nothing surprises me with some of these chaps here! Some seem so sensitive at times! I kind of sensed it with the ‘italic font’. How you managed that is beyond me!

The worrying thing is that the snowflakes didn't even pick up on the fact that I was taking the mick out of them

Yeah, your high brow wit went over everyone’s head

No, not at all, it's that you and a few others here are stupid. (No offence meant)

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:41 pm I really can't be bothered to read through this thread so, five pages in, who's winning the argument so far?

Did you read the previous thread when someone posted up they were bored of footballers taking the knee?

No. But I reckon that I can guess what it contains and that after debating back and forth nobody changed their mind or reached a consensus?

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:44 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 am

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:50 am

The worrying thing is that the snowflakes didn't even pick up on the fact that I was taking the mick out of them

Yeah, your high brow wit went over everyone’s head

No, not at all, it's that you and a few others here are stupid. (No offence meant)

I think it's the italics that did it, and your previous posts that lead me right down the path of you not being a vile racist. Well done you!

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:08 pm

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:44 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 am
Yeah, your high brow wit went over everyone’s head

No, not at all, it's that you and a few others here are stupid. (No offence meant)

I think it's the italics that did it, and your previous posts that lead me right down the path of you not being a vile racist. Well done you!

Funny i thought the " poor afro-carribeans " was the stand out bigoted bit for me .

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

Well I guess the consequence would be that the racist c*** would feel all butthurt and tearful and go on the internet to complain, but as that would be the intended consequence there's no problem.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am It's been said before, but it seems to be needed again.

People a mixing up "free speech" with "consequence-free speech". Sad.

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

Well I guess the consequence would be that the racist c*** would feel all butthurt and tearful and go on the internet to complain, but as that would be the intended consequence there's no problem.

Well I suggest that calling someone a racist c*** to their face could well result in more than a complaint on the internet.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:08 pm

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:44 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 am
Yeah, your high brow wit went over everyone’s head

No, not at all, it's that you and a few others here are stupid. (No offence meant)

I think it's the italics that did it, and your previous posts that lead me right down the path of you not being a vile racist. Well done you!

Whatever

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:53 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:08 pm

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:44 pm

No, not at all, it's that you and a few others here are stupid. (No offence meant)

I think it's the italics that did it, and your previous posts that lead me right down the path of you not being a vile racist. Well done you!

Whatever

Yes! I win! YES!

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:45 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

Well I guess the consequence would be that the racist c*** would feel all butthurt and tearful and go on the internet to complain, but as that would be the intended consequence there's no problem.

Well I suggest that calling someone a racist c*** to their face could well result in more than a complaint on the internet.

Whats your point?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:45 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 am

So calling someone a racist c*** is consequence free speech is it?

Well I guess the consequence would be that the racist c*** would feel all butthurt and tearful and go on the internet to complain, but as that would be the intended consequence there's no problem.

Well I suggest that calling someone a racist c*** to their face could well result in more than a complaint on the internet.

Someone i went to school with
Called someone a racist c*nt

The Racist C*nt swang a fist but
The school friend had put his forehead
against the racist nose before the punch got near &
lots of Blood flowed .

I guess thats what Enoch meant by
Rivers of Blood .

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:02 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:45 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Well I guess the consequence would be that the racist c*** would feel all butthurt and tearful and go on the internet to complain, but as that would be the intended consequence there's no problem.

Well I suggest that calling someone a racist c*** to their face could well result in more than a complaint on the internet.

Whats your point?

Whats yours?