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RedO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:12 pm Like AW has said, it's not the worst thing to say, he's not come out and called him a useless fanny or anything, but he's - very clumsily - stated that the youngsters like Shadrach aren't ready to play week in, week out.

Then don’t use any names. This is the 2nd time he’s pinpointed him in a post match interview. This could have been avoided by just saying ‘for some of the younger lads in the team’.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:28 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:12 pm Like AW has said, it's not the worst thing to say, he's not come out and called him a useless fanny or anything, but he's - very clumsily - stated that the youngsters like Shadrach aren't ready to play week in, week out.

Then don’t use any names. This is the 2nd time he’s pinpointed him in a post match interview. This could have been avoided by just saying ‘for some of the younger lads in the team’.

He metioned 3 others by name then said shadrach

Its an Eye opener that you can get punished by boys your own age .
" We've got to help those boys learn".

He wasnt neccesarily digging out shad

Hes pointing out that
Its a step below Mens football who can punish you even more.

Its called learn from situations that occur.
It will mean Ruel & co as young lads needs to know
It wont always go your way

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:01 pm

A Pedant wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:40 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:03 pm It’s not the first time he’s mentioned Ogie’s performance negatively in a post match interview. There’s no need for him to be specific about a kid, especially in a pre season friendly.

Point me to anything Rоss said negatively about Ogie's performance in this particular game, or indeed anything at all about Ogie specifically in this game.

Is this a joke? Just read what you posted again. Unless you didn't know Ogie's first name is Shadrach.

I know his first name, I also know the meaning of the words "performance" and "specific".

A Pedant wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:24 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:01 pm

A Pedant wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:40 pm
Point me to anything Rоss said negatively about Ogie's performance in this particular game, or indeed anything at all about Ogie specifically in this game.

Is this a joke? Just read what you posted again. Unless you didn't know Ogie's first name is Shadrach.

I know his first name, I also know the meaning of the words "performance" and "specific".

Seems like you don't.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:28 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:12 pm Like AW has said, it's not the worst thing to say, he's not come out and called him a useless fanny or anything, but he's - very clumsily - stated that the youngsters like Shadrach aren't ready to play week in, week out.

Then don’t use any names. This is the 2nd time he’s pinpointed him in a post match interview. This could have been avoided by just saying ‘for some of the younger lads in the team’.

He metioned 3 others by name then said shadrach

Its an Eye opener that you can get punished by boys your own age .
" We've got to help those boys learn".

He wasnt neccesarily digging out shad

Hes pointing out that
Its a step below Mens football who can punish you even more.

Its called learn from situations that occur.
It will mean Ruel & co as young lads needs to know
It wont always go your way

Yeah, he did mention 3 other names. Jayden, Brendon and Hector. None of them played.

The excuses being thrown out are embarassing.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:28 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:12 pm Like AW has said, it's not the worst thing to say, he's not come out and called him a useless fanny or anything, but he's - very clumsily - stated that the youngsters like Shadrach aren't ready to play week in, week out.

Then don’t use any names. This is the 2nd time he’s pinpointed him in a post match interview. This could have been avoided by just saying ‘for some of the younger lads in the team’.

Totally with you.

But like I said, this is all about Brophy playing at LB ahead of him and staving off that criticism. That’s why he’s named Ogie and said he isn’t ready.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:28 pm
Then don’t use any names. This is the 2nd time he’s pinpointed him in a post match interview. This could have been avoided by just saying ‘for some of the younger lads in the team’.

He metioned 3 others by name then said shadrach

Its an Eye opener that you can get punished by boys your own age .
" We've got to help those boys learn".

He wasnt neccesarily digging out shad

Hes pointing out that
Its a step below Mens football who can punish you even more.

Its called learn from situations that occur.
It will mean Ruel & co as young lads needs to know
It wont always go your way

Yeah, he did mention 3 other names. Jayden, Brendon and Hector. None of them played.

No they didnt
Yet he still mentioned them by name .

Its about teaching & Coaching younger players .
Especially in Pre Season games where no points are won or lost .
A great time to experiment with 1 or 2 new ideas & reacting to situations

I guess it's just Something you don't quite understand .

This is bonkers.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:15 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:56 pm

He metioned 3 others by name then said shadrach

Its an Eye opener that you can get punished by boys your own age .
" We've got to help those boys learn".

He wasnt neccesarily digging out shad

Hes pointing out that
Its a step below Mens football who can punish you even more.

Its called learn from situations that occur.
It will mean Ruel & co as young lads needs to know
It wont always go your way

Yeah, he did mention 3 other names. Jayden, Brendon and Hector. None of them played.

No they didnt
Yet he still mentioned them by name .

Its about teaching & Coaching younger players .
Especially in Pre Season games where no points are won or lost .
A great time to experiment with 1 or 2 new ideas & reacting to situations

I guess it's just Something you don't quite understand .

Ah, the tuffers classic, changing your argument multiple times

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:04 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:15 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:51 pm
Yeah, he did mention 3 other names. Jayden, Brendon and Hector. None of them played.

No they didnt
Yet he still mentioned them by name .

Its about teaching & Coaching younger players .
Especially in Pre Season games where no points are won or lost .
A great time to experiment with 1 or 2 new ideas & reacting to situations

I guess it's just Something you don't quite understand .

Ah, the tuffers classic, changing your argument multiple times

Ive not changed anything dear

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:04 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:48 pm

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:54 pm Judd assists Lee Angol goal and Sam Ling scores an own goal, says it all really !

Silence from the argumentative Tiff.

What was that you were saying about Embarrassing yourself Des ?

Sublime pass from Juddy for Angols goal

Nudge Nudge

Comedy is all about timing lad

Watch & learn

From those highlights you have to question ling on his positioning as he was nowhere to be seen backing up and sweeping around the centre half. The own goal well the less said the better really.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:09 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:04 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:48 pm

Silence from the argumentative Tiff.

What was that you were saying about Embarrassing yourself Des ?

Sublime pass from Juddy for Angols goal

Nudge Nudge

Comedy is all about timing lad

Watch & learn

From those highlights you have to question ling on his positioning as he was nowhere to be seen backing up and sweeping around the centre half. The own goal well the less said the better really.

He's not Usain.Bolt thory ,
Even he'd struggle to do what you are suggesting

No he wouldn’t cos if he’d been doing his job he would have been in the right place and wouldn’t need to be the worlds fatest man.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:31 pm No he wouldn’t cos if he’d been doing his job he would have been in the right place and wouldn’t need to be the worlds fatest man.

He was doing his job thory
We had the ball.& were pushing forward by the half way line ,
Joe couldnt find a pass turned & lost the ball , quickly played down the
Centre left channel & bang goal

If you watch the unfiltered footage, you do see him amble back into shot.

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:56 pm If you watch the unfiltered footage, you do see him amble back into shot.

Like Judd did against Northampton ?

Firstly going by the little bit we have seen of the friendlies so far i would go with Judd in front of Ling. Dont think you can aportion any blame on Ling for the first goal Widdowson was slow in using the ball and got dissposessed which caught the defence out. The own goal unfortunately one of those things, 9/10 he clears it.

The Ling og is unlucky.

The first goal, however, is inexcusable from Joe Widdowson. Appalling defending. But then again, he isn’t a CB so what do you expect?

It’s looking like the club aren’t going to replace Marvin. Very dangerous move. That leaves us with Happe, Coulson and Turley.

Happe is a decent young CB
Turley will get injured
Coulson is on the decline. He looked cumbersome last season. He won’t have gotten faster over the summer. He’s an alright conference defender at best these days.

Pretty alarming that apart from Cisse (who was here last year anyway) we haven’t signed a single player.

As Ling said in the Q&A we have until 19th of October
If Ross needs anyone else .

Thought Widdowson was our 4th CB?

No one else needed, apparently.

2 players left if needed by the budget

In case we pick up a long term injury in the
1st 6 weeks of the season
Brill 1st game last season done for the season

We have 3 centre halves & 2 full backs who can fill iif needed
JOE & Shad as cover for cb leaving brophy as main lb starter.

Ross bagging out the youngsters is interesting. Especially when you add ling saying Ruel wanted to jump from being a promising youngster to a star of the team without earning first team regular status. I wonder if there's a crazy expectation level from youngsters progressing from the youth team and Ross is trying to make them check their ideas.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:17 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:04 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:15 pm

No they didnt
Yet he still mentioned them by name .

Its about teaching & Coaching younger players .
Especially in Pre Season games where no points are won or lost .
A great time to experiment with 1 or 2 new ideas & reacting to situations

I guess it's just Something you don't quite understand .

Ah, the tuffers classic, changing your argument multiple times

Ive not changed anything dear

Every one of your posts changes tack. You are becoming more erratic by the day.

Getting enjoyment from being an argumentative twit is very worrying.

Adz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:15 am Boss bagging out the youngsters is interesting. Especially when you add ling saying Ruel wanted to jump from being a promising youngster to a star of the team without earning first team regular status. I wonder if there's a crazy expectation level from youngsters progressing from the youth team and Boss is trying to make them check their ideas.

Between 17 and 20 if you are a decent footballer you probably think your the bees knees and have a certain confidence and belief in yourself. The coaching and management at the club should be encouraging and supporting you to display your skills and strengths which could lead to the team being successful. Of course they also need to instill the rights and wrongs of your game and advise you of some of your faults.
Shadrach is a young defender who looks strong and promising, in fact there is more chance of him being a central defender than Joe Widdowson. There does appear to be a habit of dropping his name in for criticism which could be handled differently. As with regards Ruel being played out on the wide left position i think we are wasting his strengths and probably for the good of Ruel and the team maybe they should start with someone else there.
As they say on here it's all about opinions but i cant agree with Ross on these decisions.